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Heya; as I eventually plan to snag the FW Great Unclean One - which given my luck a new plastic model will come out for it by that time - would it, in the spirit of the game, be acceptable to use as a regular Great Unclean One? I see a lot of people use it as Ku'Gath given he doesn't have an official model, but I wouldn't think it would be illegal. I just like it infinitely more than the 21 year old current metal/Finetastic model. Approach this in a FLGS manner as well as a Tournament manner; I'd suspect what the latter is, but I never know.

This didn't seem to really fit in the 'Rules' section personally, but correct me if need be. Pretty sure the Rulebook doesn't address this.



***After some searching, I believe the general consensus is that the model is perfectly legal. Still, some input wouldn't hurt I suppose.

It's going to be pretty obvious what the model is if it's a FW alternative to a GW model. Most players are fine with alternative models, as long as it's a fair representation and they know what rules it's using.

Chaos players get off pretty lucky, we can always play the "mutation/boon/bad plague day/corrupted" card if we really need to...

Hmm, sounds great. I found a recent topic regarding the FW Avatar and everyone seemed to essentially come to a general consensus that it is perfectly legal. If I buy the FW GUO, I will likely get the other Greater Daemons from there, because just getting that one would seem odd among the others.

They're rather tall...but so is the Wraithknight, so it's not that bad. Some people may point out that it will block LoS more, but for Daemons, cover won't matter much, nor can you hide an entire squad behind him.

Rather expensive to be getting FW Greater Daemons, but at least it's just 3, I guess.

Actually, as I think about it, I don't think they come with bases. Any idea what would be considered legal in that instance? I'd assume Oval base if they can fit.

This sort of thing is the biggest issue facing 40k today IMO.

By god use whatever you like, as long as its 'reasonable'.

Go for it. I was going to buy The Bloodthrister, but got the Khorne DP instead and just put wings on it. I just couldn't justify the price. >.>

But it looks great and at the end of the day, the FW Daemons are some of the best models they've made. No one should complain.

Also, the GUO doesn't have a base, but I think the rest of them have a giant square base.

My armies are about 60-75% forgeworld (representing units in the standard GW codices). The only time you should ever have issues is if you are trying to use FW rules in a tournament (or your opponent doesn't want to play with FW rules).

You are 100% allowed to proxy with FW units as they are citadel miniatures - however, as with any proxy, it must properly represent the unit in the codex entry. You'd be hard pressed taking a FW vulture as a helldrake.

My Tau army on the other hand uses XV89 suits as shas'vres and XV81 suits as shas'uis exclusively. My commander in iridium armour in an XV9. Same goes for my deathguard with FW plaguemarine conversion kits. There isn't much to argue against since the models all accurately represent their codex entries (down to the bonding knives).

To the OPs situation specifically, the FW GUO can be used instead of GW's, but this instance is a bit unique because FW's version is much larger. I wouldn't see this being an issue though as the model is fantastic AND the larger size will mean you'll be putting yourself at a disadvantage due to the GUO being easier to shoot at with LoS.

The GUO comes with the large oval base.

I have the Forgeworld Bloodthirster and the GUO.

The Bloodthirster is a bit big to use as a codex Bloodthirster.

But the GUO is the right size for it. Especially considering with the right gifts and spells he can potentially be T10 with 10 Wounds.

I use the GUO every game and no one has ever complained about it. Although I do try not to use his size for advantage, like hiding a unit with the relic behind him, out of line of sight of the enemy.

And I am mindful of his base size when edging him out of area terrain. He only needs a fraction of his base in it to get his 3+ cover save. Of course if he is on a larger base he can get closer to where he needs to be and still be in cover, than if he was on the citadel miniatures base.

Most of the time though, the larger size just means its harder for him to get 25% obscured, easier for the enemy to multi-assault him with two or more units. And harder for you to multi-assault the GUO with another unit.

Be advised, the Forgeworld Greater Daemons are HUGE! One of the store owners at one of the stores I go to has all four and only lets them be used as the named Gargantuan Daemons in Apocalypse.

CleverAntics wrote:
Heya; as I eventually plan to snag the FW Great Unclean One - which given my luck a new plastic model will come out for it by that time - would it, in the spirit of the game, be acceptable to use as a regular Great Unclean One? I see a lot of people use it as Ku'Gath given he doesn't have an official model, but I wouldn't think it would be illegal. I just like it infinitely more than the 21 year old current metal/Finetastic model. Approach this in a FLGS manner as well as a Tournament manner; I'd suspect what the latter is, but I never know.

This didn't seem to really fit in the 'Rules' section personally, but correct me if need be. Pretty sure the Rulebook doesn't address this.



***After some searching, I believe the general consensus is that the model is perfectly legal. Still, some input wouldn't hurt I suppose.

The Forge world piece is bigger than the current great unclean one model by a fair margin. People will never complain that you want to use a larger model as a stand in. Usually the complaints start when you want to use a model that is half as big as a stand in. The FW nurgle daemon is a very nice model. I keep considering buying one myself...saw one recently on ebay for $99 and wishing I had picked it up. The model came about for use in Apocalypse games as a greater daemon lord, but if you want to use it go ahead.

Go ahead and use it. If GW comes out with a better model afterwards, just have two great unclean ones in your force.

Skriker