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I went to a tournament the other day @ 1k pts, reduced unit slots, no fliers/allies/duplicates (troops exempted)

I ran a speed freaks list and did fairly well, but I was just thinking about what I'd take if I wanted to win as much as possible.

Wondering what you guys would think of the following list;

HQ
Big Mek w/ KFF [85]

Troops - Maximum 4
[3x] 30x Shoota Boyz [540]
30x Shoota Boyz, 3x Big Shootas [195]

Elites
5x Lootas [75]

Fast
Deffkopta, TL Rokkit [45]

Heavy
Big Guns - Kannon x3 [60]

Would have decimated everything I went up against and seems almost unfairly powerful at first glance.

I like it. Tough but if it was up to me, maybe skip 3x big shootas for more crew/ammo runtz for the kannons.

And more lootas.

I'd drop them down to 20 boy Sq's, addbig shootas the the squads that don't have them and add more lootas with the points, grots for the guns too, or more guns, and the kopta can be swapped out for the kannon battery, better bs, more wounds,

I can't take more guns man, the tournament had a no duplicates rule.

Reducing to 80 Orks would free up 240pts. Can I get better value for those points from some other source?

The problem with more Lootas IMO is that they are very frail, and taking more is just making it a more cost effective target for my opponent. That said, 5 Lootas sure as hell failed to kill things alot. In all my games they took out one Chimera. Whoopty doo. Everything else was infantry or AV14

 firmlog wrote:
And more lootas.

I'd drop them down to 20 boy Sq's, addbig shootas the the squads that don't have them and add more lootas with the points, grots for the guns too, or more guns, and the kopta can be swapped out for the kannon battery, better bs, more wounds,

You can't underestimate what 20-30 Shoota boyz can do on their own especially for their points value. I've have done more killing with shooting in the past few games with the plain boyz then anything else, to include 20 lootas. I like big shootas, they have done me right in killing all kinds of crap. But it is a pain to move and some times roll dice.

I said nothing about taking more kannons, just add some gretchin crew to add more wounds to it T7 ftw!

I'm not seeing anything in your list that can reliably take out AV13 or AV14.

In a 1k tournament there are bound to be those lists centered around land raiders.

Maybe with those extra 240 points you can snag a BW with a deff rolla, expand for a few more lootas, AND grab some extra crew for the kannons?

I dunno man, I took on AV14 easy with trukk boyz (ie, 40 boyz and 4 useless trukks). You can just ignore it most of the time. Even the large blast AV14 wasn't *too* bad.

To kill AV 14, or arguably even 13, Orks need to assault. If using a foot list it'll take me 4-5 turns to close with back line AV 14 - at which point I might as well save the points spent on klaws at the expense of taking another round or two of shooting. If I include fast elements I have the problem of two speeds in my list. So the best solution I can see is to either mostly or entirely ignore it. For AV13, Lootas are pretty meh, with six putting a third of a glance x 1D3 per shooting phase, and I have nearly the maximum amount of worthwhile S8 shooting with that one unit of kannons and a deffkopta. Can't think of a good way to deal with these targets at range really.

I'm also looking to avoid vehicles as much as possible. Green Tide benefits alot from having no good targets for anti-tank shooting, one BW would just be a magnet for Lascannons and go BOOM real fast.

Edit: @Phatonic

Yeah it was firmlog I was replying to there.

I've found people generally tend to ignore my kannons, hence why I haven't taken the extra krew. It could be a good deal though - position them between a scoring squad and the enemy and they fill the double roll of fire support and a 'grot line' for 5+ cover.

10 lootas with a mek is just about right to dent most things. And gives em cover wherever you place them. Also a kustom mega-blasta if things get within 24"

Since you are not running Big Shootas in most boyz squads, you could drop to a weird number of like 25 or 26 per squad to get more lootas

Moar Lootas

I'll also say the tournament played in your favour. When I say that the tournament isn't true 6th ed with allies, duplicate units and flyers and those changes played to the older Ork codex.

That it was. I should have waltzed into first place, but I went with a more fun list as I don't really enjoy blobs.

I would be more interested in seeing the SpeedFreaks list you ran

Nothing special honestly, certainly nothing to show off. Due to shenanigans I was restricted at the last moment to using and not using certain models so I had to come up with and submit this in a bit of a hurry.

The list was
~Big Mek w/ KFF, PK, Cybork
~Mega Armoured Warboss w/ shiny stuff (taken for fluff reasons)
~5 Lootas
~4x Slugga Trukk w/ ram, PK Nob, a few rokkits in there
~Skorcha Buggy
~Rokkit Kopta

Didn't do as well as it could have, mainly because I got second turn every single game and the one game where second turn advantage kicked in, random game length kicked me in the teeth twice