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When a Chaos character is turned into a DP, they are removed as a casualty and the opponent gets the VP for them.
Do people reckon you also get the bonus for the general / bsb dying? Don't think it states in the book.

Pro: The general was removed as a casualty
Anti: You still have a / the general on the table

it's clearly noted that the model gives the opponent VP as the model is removed as a casualty.

the pro is that your character has become a DP that doesn't give VP at the end of the match. so as long as you use him to get his points back and more then your laughing.

do keep in mind that the DP is not a Large Target in the WoC book so a general becomming a DP does not get the 18" LD bubble.

It is noted that the model gives vp. As I said.

It is not clearly stated whether the bonus VP for killing the geneal is granted. Hence the question.

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The King is Dead.

I see where your coming from with the wording for the rule being slain and the ambiguity it brings with it, i.e. does turning into a prince constitute being slain?.

however, the little blurb under it gives an example and it specifically refers to being dead. as the general would be removed as a casualty, he is in fact dead and would offer his points + the 100.

But doesn't the deamonhood rule say he's still the general after transforming.
Wouldn't killing him then be another 100vp.

 HoverBoy wrote:
But doesn't the deamonhood rule say he's still the general after transforming.
Wouldn't killing him then be another 100vp.

it doesn't actualy state that, it simply states that all equipment and items continue to function and any previous gifts still apply, i.e. that if he had previously got a +1 S bonus he would still have +1 S of a DP.

I'll double check when I get home, but it is possible that he no loner continues to be the general of the army, I assume he still does but the opponent should still get the 100 vp's as the model you bought for the general has been removed as a casualty at the end of the game and it is there that you score additional VP's

Oh wow so you totally lose the VPs and the inspiring presence.

Just got home and checked - "if the chaos champion was your army General or Battle Standard Bearer, the Deamon Prince remains so"
So you don't lose the IP / reroll. Does the fact that that role remains rather than "the Deamin Prince becomes" indicate that the bonus VP aren't given?

cool thats the IP and in case of BSB taken care of (thanks for checking ahead of me, saves me having to dig out my book)

although from when I read it at lunch, as the calculations are done ater the battle has ended, and since you didn't buy the DP as the general in this instance, you bought another champion who was then sacrifciced to bring the DP to bear. I would say you have given your opponent the extra 100points in the instance of it being the general.

in the instance of claiming the BSB however they would need to capture the battle standard in the normal fashion, in CC as you can only capture standards in CC.

The General WAS removed as a casualty, so RAW gives up the 100VP.

Whether that is what they meant - after all, would it have triggered the 6th (?) edition board wide panic check for general being killed? - I am not really sure on - doesnt make sense, fluffwise, that my army would be demoralised at my general attaining immortality having achieved what they all aspire to....

Aye, is kind of strange generally. I can see why they would give up their VP (balancing the potential benefits to the WoC player with potential lost VP), but seems weird that his army would be disheartened.

They're sad because tonight's poker game will be a man short

Lol, but at least they won't have to cower before their General's wrath if they win his money.

 HoverBoy wrote:
They're sad because tonight's poker game will be a man short

I imagine the DP will still play - great poker face, and are YOU going to call against him?