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Now correct me if I am wrong(I better be)

My 250 points daemon prince with wings will strike at initiaitve 1

If he charged from an area terrain(cover) or he charges into an area terrain? Due to the lack of assault grenades?

correct

 Mywik wrote:
correct

So the devastator camping in the building will be free from his wrath?!!

The dark gods is not pleased.

kissmymom wrote:

 Mywik wrote:
correct

So the devastator camping in the building will be free from his wrath?!!

Only if said Dev manages to kill him with his one attack.

helotaxi wrote:

kissmymom wrote:

 Mywik wrote:
correct

So the devastator camping in the building will be free from his wrath?!!

Only if said Dev manages to kill him with his one attack.

Managed to kill a daemon prince with 3 purgators once you just have to be a gk to make it happen

You still get an inititive 10 Hammer of wrath hit though. unless charging through terrain cancels this out too.

Always pack a skull cannon, so you can strike at intiive. it's really effective for it's cost, though since it's heavy it there the conundrum with using it or something else.

helotaxi wrote:

kissmymom wrote:

 Mywik wrote:
correct

So the devastator camping in the building will be free from his wrath?!!

Only if said Dev manages to kill him with his one attack.

Overwatching lazcannon, krak missiles or heavy bolter shots could take the prince down.

 liturgies of blood wrote:

helotaxi wrote:

kissmymom wrote:

 Mywik wrote:
correct

So the devastator camping in the building will be free from his wrath?!!

Only if said Dev manages to kill him with his one attack.

Overwatching lazcannon, krak missiles or heavy bolter shots could take the prince down.

That could happen regardless of striking at initiative or not

WS9 is the Daemon Prince version of grenades. "Sure, Mr. Space Marine, you can strike first in combat. Give it your best shot." *whiff* "So...my turn then?"

Here is a pro tip.

Make sure you establish whether MC can go into upper levels of ruins in the first place before game starts. Otherwise you may not be able to charge models in ruins at all with your MC's

40k-noob wrote:

whether MC can go into upper levels of ruins in the first place

"Moving Within Ruins" BRB p98 gives explicit permission for Jump units to do so. And an FMC in Glide "moves, runs and charges exactly like a Jump MC" (BRB49).

Why would there be a question as to whether it's possible for the FMC to get onto upper levels of ruins? Unless I'm missing something...?

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

whether MC can go into upper levels of ruins in the first place

"Moving Within Ruins" BRB p98 gives explicit permission for Jump units to do so. And an FMC in Glide "moves, runs and charges exactly like a Jump MC" (BRB49).

Why would there be a question as to whether it's possible for the FMC to get onto upper levels of ruins? Unless I'm missing something...?

Moving within Ruins section of page 98 read past the bold part.

40k-noob wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

whether MC can go into upper levels of ruins in the first place

"Moving Within Ruins" BRB p98 gives explicit permission for Jump units to do so. And an FMC in Glide "moves, runs and charges exactly like a Jump MC" (BRB49).

Why would there be a question as to whether it's possible for the FMC to get onto upper levels of ruins? Unless I'm missing something...?

Moving within Ruins section of page 98 read past the bold part.

If you mean this:
"You should agree with your opponent at the beginning of the game whether or not any other unit types can enter the upper levels of a ruin (Walkers and Monstrous Creatures could be allowed to enter sturdy looking ruins)."
Then you should turn your attention to this (same page):
"all types of Jump and Jet Pack units can move on the upper levels of a ruin"

Tactical_Genius wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

whether MC can go into upper levels of ruins in the first place

"Moving Within Ruins" BRB p98 gives explicit permission for Jump units to do so. And an FMC in Glide "moves, runs and charges exactly like a Jump MC" (BRB49).

Why would there be a question as to whether it's possible for the FMC to get onto upper levels of ruins? Unless I'm missing something...?

Moving within Ruins section of page 98 read past the bold part.

If you mean this:
"You should agree with your opponent at the beginning of the game whether or not any other unit types can enter the upper levels of a ruin (Walkers and Monstrous Creatures could be allowed to enter sturdy looking ruins)."
Then you should turn your attention to this (same page):
"all types of Jump and Jet Pack units can move on the upper levels of a ruin"

No, I mean the part after the bold words, as in "-and ONLY if the model can physically be placed there." emphasis mine.

Most, if not all, MC will not physically fit in the middle floors of ruins, and few will fit on top floors.
So yeah, you will need to discuss it pre-game. Otherwise a roll off is a 50-50 chance.

40k-noob wrote:
Here is a pro tip.

Make sure you establish whether MC can go into upper levels of ruins in the first place before game starts. Otherwise you may not be able to charge models in ruins at all with your MC's

Mate. I never run my princes without wings. I could go all the way up to the third levels. No sweat on that. Hahah. Thanks though!


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 whigwam wrote:
WS9 is the Daemon Prince version of grenades. "Sure, Mr. Space Marine, you can strike first in combat. Give it your best shot." *whiff* "So...my turn then?"

It really isn't that hard. He needs a 5+ then a 2+.
Then I get my 5++ which I fails every bloody time.
The assualt in 6 is either 3+ is your best(unless you are kharn) or 5+ is your worst.
I personally think striking at a WS9 MC. You should hit at 6 instead of 5.


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40k-noob wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

whether MC can go into upper levels of ruins in the first place

"Moving Within Ruins" BRB p98 gives explicit permission for Jump units to do so. And an FMC in Glide "moves, runs and charges exactly like a Jump MC" (BRB49).

Why would there be a question as to whether it's possible for the FMC to get onto upper levels of ruins? Unless I'm missing something...?

Moving within Ruins section of page 98 read past the bold part.

If you mean this:
"You should agree with your opponent at the beginning of the game whether or not any other unit types can enter the upper levels of a ruin (Walkers and Monstrous Creatures could be allowed to enter sturdy looking ruins)."
Then you should turn your attention to this (same page):
"all types of Jump and Jet Pack units can move on the upper levels of a ruin"

No, I mean the part after the bold words, as in "-and ONLY if the model can physically be placed there." emphasis mine.

Most, if not all, MC will not physically fit in the middle floors of ruins, and few will fit on top floors.
So yeah, you will need to discuss it pre-game. Otherwise a roll off is a 50-50 chance.

Yes I would agree the rule of thumb is you must be able to place the model there. So far I have had no issues with my prince.

If you are playing tyranids(harpy, flying hive tyrant) then yeah. You might have issues. Their wings tip them off balance as it spans away from the base.

My Hive Tyrants, flying or not, do suffer from the "No room for me to stand there" in ruin upper levels indeed.

And yes an FMC that charges out of/into terrain will strike at I1.

kissmymom wrote:
It really isn't that hard. He needs a 5+ then a 2+.
Then I get my 5++ which I fails every bloody time.

Devastators are wounding your Prince on a 2+ in combat?
What are they armed with?

 grendel083 wrote:

kissmymom wrote:
It really isn't that hard. He needs a 5+ then a 2+.
Then I get my 5++ which I fails every bloody time.

Devastators are wounding your Prince on a 2+ in combat?
What are they armed with?

I am assuming the sergeant has a PF.

kissmymom wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

kissmymom wrote:
It really isn't that hard. He needs a 5+ then a 2+.
Then I get my 5++ which I fails every bloody time.

Devastators are wounding your Prince on a 2+ in combat?
What are they armed with?

I am assuming the sergeant has a PF.

Then you should win the game as your opponent is clearly a moron. Let him waste points on a fist. Plus that's at most 1 wound if that and then the Sergeant is dead (assuming he survived the HoW). Butcher the rest of the squad in his turn and charge again, by accepting the challenge he's denied himself a chance to shoot your Prince for this you should be very happy.

Mathematically with 2 attacks he should get .67 hits .55 wounds and .334 wounds so an average he'll do a wound once every 3 times you do this...

kissmymom wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

kissmymom wrote:
It really isn't that hard. He needs a 5+ then a 2+.
Then I get my 5++ which I fails every bloody time.

Devastators are wounding your Prince on a 2+ in combat?
What are they armed with?

I am assuming the sergeant has a PF.

That's at most 2 wounds and you'll strike at the same time.
I won't go into the tactics of why powerfists on Devastators is a waste

40k-noob wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

whether MC can go into upper levels of ruins in the first place

"Moving Within Ruins" BRB p98 gives explicit permission for Jump units to do so. And an FMC in Glide "moves, runs and charges exactly like a Jump MC" (BRB49).

Why would there be a question as to whether it's possible for the FMC to get onto upper levels of ruins? Unless I'm missing something...?

Moving within Ruins section of page 98 read past the bold part.

If you mean this:
"You should agree with your opponent at the beginning of the game whether or not any other unit types can enter the upper levels of a ruin (Walkers and Monstrous Creatures could be allowed to enter sturdy looking ruins)."
Then you should turn your attention to this (same page):
"all types of Jump and Jet Pack units can move on the upper levels of a ruin"

No, I mean the part after the bold words, as in "-and ONLY if the model can physically be placed there." emphasis mine.

Most, if not all, MC will not physically fit in the middle floors of ruins, and few will fit on top floors.
So yeah, you will need to discuss it pre-game. Otherwise a roll off is a 50-50 chance.

Why do you need to discuss it? If the model can fit, you can place it. If not, you can't.