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I've come up with a 1850 Eldar List using the suppliement codex for Iyanden:

Farseer with wraithforge stone
3 spiritseers

10 Guardiand
5 Rangers
5 wraithguard with wraithcannons
5 wraithguard with wraithcannons
5 wraitguard with d-scythe

hemlock wraithfighter

wraithknight with suncannon, scatter laser and scattershield
wraithlord with two flamers, scatter laser, starcannon and ghostglaive
wraithlord with two flamers, scatter laser, eldar missile launcher and ghostglaive

My plan is to put the wraithknight in the middle to absorb most the firepower while my other units will advance forward. the spiritseers will go with the squads of wraithguard, the farseer will either go by himself, hiding behing wraithknight/lord/terrain or with the guardians. the rangers and the guardians are there just to stay back and claim my own objectives, or if its not an objectives mission to act as a unit blocker to give my wraith models cover. the wraithfighter is going on either flank and hopefully damaging the enemy's front lines. the wraithguard will advance forward, the spiritseers using phychic powers to help them, and as they are troops (because of the spiritseers, they can claim/contest objectives. the wraithlords will advance with the wraithguard/wraithknight to try to get into close combat while shooting tanks/ infantry.

what do you guys think? would this list work? what are you thoughts/ ideas?
please post your comments below!!!

Eml on wraithlord is SO expensive, for what it does. i would recomend Bl.

other wise seams pretty good to me.
serpents make wraith scythes really happy

I think this list will work well in most cases, but like this list and mine ( mine almost just like yours ), I would fear certain lists.

Multiple Flying Creatures. It's hard to bank on grounding 1 or 2, let alone 5. Flying circus list will fly across mostly unharmed, and then charge in and kill your big stuff, then move onto the smaller stuff. So lack of skyfire in our lists hurt us, and the Hemlock will zero versus flyers.

What we do have going for us, is a decent chance to instant death a greater daemon or deamon prince, hoping we roll a 6 to wound with wraith weaponry, and them failing an invuln save.

Another list I would be worried about, but interested to see nonetheless, is a waveserpent spam list. It's hard to get first blood via knocking out a waveserpent, as they can knock down 2 penetrating shots down to glances. A 3rd glance would wreck it. I think with a list like yours or mine, the best average outcome we could expect, is wrecking maybe one waveserpent a turn, but that leaves a mass amount of return fire from the rest of the waveserpents. By the time you cross the battlefield, with dwindled numbers, the crew inside the waveserpents have a good chance to bypass wraithguard armour with shuriken firepower.

I know that flyers will be a big problem in this list. nothing has skyfire, so i would need 6's to hit with everything. i chose the eldar missile launcher because it provides variety, and i had some points spare. serpents are good, but i think they are too expensive, and as this army doesnt have a lot of numbers, i need to try to maximise that. also putting only one unit of d-scythes into a serent is a bi pointless as by the time everyone else gets there, there would be nothing left of them.

thanks for reading my list and posting your ideas/ comments.

You will have a real Hard time facing Dark Eldar and Eldar with faster armies then you. Technically they would be able to keep out of range from everything but the wraithlords/knights all the time. Also Necron fliers and Annilathions will be a problem. And Helldrakes.

You will have a real Hard time facing Dark Eldar and Eldar with faster armies then you. Technically they would be able to keep out of range from everything but the wraithlords/knights all the time. Also Necron fliers and Annilathions will be a problem. And Helldrakes.

Do you have any ideas how to improve my list so that it would still maintain an Iyanden/Wraith theme but be faster and be able to deal with fliers/FMC?

I would personally drop the hemlock, guardians and rangers.

Use those points to get wave serpents for at least two of the wraithguard squads.

The wraithknight is fine, but I would change both of the wraithlords to 2 bright lances, flamers and glaive.

I would also personally consider dropping one of the spirit seers as he is not really needed in the d scythe squad imo, as they will probably get murdered by the opponent once they have wiped out a squad or vehicle.

I would personally drop the hemlock, guardians and rangers.

Use those points to get wave serpents for at least two of the wraithguard squads.

The wraithknight is fine, but I would change both of the wraithlords to 2 bright lances, flamers and glaive.

I would also personally consider dropping one of the spirit seers as he is not really needed in the d scythe squad imo, as they will probably get murdered by the opponent once they have wiped out a squad or vehicle.

How would i deal with fliers though? Im going to play an IG player and i think he is going to have at least 2 vendettas/valkaries, if that helps. im new to eldar so i dont really know which combinations will work best.

This list would be perfect with Wave Serpents. All Wraithlords should have scatter laser and bright lance.

anti flier? exhange hemlock for crimson hunter. and wave srepnts are alot better for d scythes than you would think.

This list would be perfect with Wave Serpents

and wave srepnts are alot better for d scythes than you would think.

how would i get the points for the 3 wave serpents (for my 3 units of wraithguard? Help me out, guys

Do you need all those HQ units? That's a lot for HQs. Maybe consider two Wraithknights and ditch the Wraithlord and use points to purchase Wave Serpents?

Do you need all those HQ units? That's a lot for HQs. Maybe consider two Wraithknights and ditch the Wraithlord and use points to purchase Wave Serpents?

the 3 spiritseers are to go with the wraithguard and give them a 5+ cover save (conceal primaris power) and the farseer will take the Iyanden suppliment primaris power in the exchange for the conceal/reveal power, giving all wraith units within 12" battle focus and furions charge.

p.s. i have 1 wraithknight and 2 wraithlords, not 2 wraithknights and 1 wraithlord.

You should be getting more than a 5+ cover save with conceal if you place models correctly. You cannot charge out of a Wave Serpent and Wraithguard are shooting unit, not close combat, so I would ditch the Farseer straight away.

I know what you have I am saying ditch the Wraithlords and get two Wraithknights.

Sorry to have to repeat everyone else, however you seem stuck on not having waveserpent and that they are to expensive.

Where conceal grants 5+ cover the Wave Serpent grants that 2 fold and more. The Wave Serpent provides the ultimate protection, if you move flat out its a 3+ cover save with a Holofield. When it is time to shoot it you'll have TL scatter laser (remember laser lock) + serpent shield (if you need it) + a Shuriken Cannon. It has protection and mobile firepower at a reasonable value. Wave serpents can take out flayers with all the TL from laser lock.

Im not a fan of wraithlords or wraithknights but your themed list does need them. all I can suggest is do not over equip a wraithlord the become too expensive. In my opinion

You don't need 3; however 2 would be good, 1 would be ok, and make sure the D-scythes are in one of them. As it will help them make thier points back.

99% sure that if you take multiple spiritseers under iyanden that you lose conceal as your primaris and gain the iyanden one on all of them you can't pick and choose to have some iyanden primaris and some book so your tactic isn't going to work.

That's only if you take multiple Spiritseers under the same HQ choice, the way it seems to read.

99% sure that if you take multiple spiritseers under iyanden that you lose conceal as your primaris and gain the iyanden one on all of them you can't pick and choose to have some iyanden primaris and some book so your tactic isn't going to work.

thats 100% right - my mistake for not noticing that . siritseers have to take the iyanden primaris power

Sorry to have to repeat everyone else, however you seem stuck on not having waveserpent and that they are to expensive.

Where conceal grants 5+ cover the Wave Serpent grants that 2 fold and more. The Wave Serpent provides the ultimate protection, if you move flat out its a 3+ cover save with a Holofield. When it is time to shoot it you'll have TL scatter laser (remember laser lock) + serpent shield (if you need it) + a Shuriken Cannon. It has protection and mobile firepower at a reasonable value. Wave serpents can take out flayers with all the TL from laser lock.

Im not a fan of wraithlords or wraithknights but your themed list does need them. all I can suggest is do not over equip a wraithlord the become too expensive. In my opinion

You don't need 3; however 2 would be good, 1 would be ok, and make sure the D-scythes are in one of them. As it will help them make thier points back.

But if i have only 2 serpents, then most of my army would be up front whereas the one unit which is behind would be vulnerable to deep strikers. i thinks its either 3 or none im my list. please tell me if im wrong as im fairly new to eldar.

I am saying ditch the Wraithlords and get two Wraithknights.

So what do you think my wraithknights should have?

Thanks guys for all the help you provided so far. im fairly new to eldar ATM.

Tiber55 is correct. The primaris is different for iyanden spiritseers.

There is another post almost identical to this that was posted at about the same time.

The "ideal" iyanden list is something like this

Spiritseers 1-3(as many as points left)

2 Units of 3x jetbikes (mobile scoring/denying, reserve/hide these untill last turn)

2-3x units of wraithguard 1-2 of them with scythes
in waveserpents with scatter lasers cannons(if points allow) holofields, vectored engines on the scythe's serpent/s

2-3 wraithknights 1 stock 1 with shield and cannon (make this one your HQ) and than if 2 units of guard 3 knights 3rd one being stock


My personal opinion is that 3 wraithguard untis and 2 knights is the sweet spot, i prefer stock knights but making a suncannon one your HQ is a decent idea if expensive(300 vs 240)

I like the idea of a crimson hunter, but it earning its points back is iffy, especially since in this list you don't have a way to manipulate reserve rolls so if it comes on before your enemies Air its free points to them. Also its very easily shot down by any dedicated AA such as aegis. This list wins by shooting everything on the ground dead and ignoring flying.

The "ideal" iyanden list is something like this

Spiritseers 1-3(as many as points left)

2 Units of 3x jetbikes (mobile scoring/denying, reserve/hide these untill last turn)

2-3x units of wraithguard 1-2 of them with scythes
in waveserpents with scatter lasers cannons(if points allow) holofields and vectored engines on the scythes

2-3 wraithknights 1 stock 1 with shield and cannon (make this one your HQ) and than if 2 units of guard 3 knights 3rd on being stock


My personal opinion is that 3 wraithguard untis and 2 knights is the sweet spot, i prefer stock knights but making a suncannon one your HQ is a decent idea if expensive(300 vs 240)

This seems like a very nice list, but what about wraithlords and antiflyers? I really like the wraithlords and dont get why most people discard them. whats the problem with them?

Sorry just edited the above post to comment on the Anti Air, there is no way in this list to do AA effectively so in all just bring more units and ignore it. Crimson Hunter's weaknesses are above. There is nothing wrong with Wraithlords, they just aren't as hard to kill as knights and don't really add anything. If you want the scatterlaser/BL combo you take walkers, if you want a tarpit MC you take a knight. If you decide to run them do something like BL/Flamer/Glaive combo and walk them up along side the knight and serpents.

Sorry just edited the above post to comment on the Anti Air, there is no way in this list to do AA effectively so in all just bring more units and ignore it. Crimson Hunter's weaknesses are above. There is nothing wrong with Wraithlords, they just aren't as hard to kill as knights and don't really add anything. If you want the scatterlaser/BL combo you take walkers, if you want a tarpit MC you take a knight. If you decide to run them do something like BL/Flamer/Glaive combo and walk them up along side the knight and serpents.

Thanks for the advice. I'll write a new list now and post it below and see what you guys think


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(mobile scoring/denying, reserve/hide these untill last turn)

Also what do you mean by this?

Thanks


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NEW LIST:

3 spiritseers

3 bikes
3 bikes, one with shuriken cannon
5 wraithguard with d-scythes in wave serpent with BL, shuriken cannon, vector engines and holo fields
5 wraithguard with d-scythes in wave serpent with BL, shuriken cannon, vector engines and holo fields
5 wraithguard with wraithcannons wave serpent with BL, shuriken cannon, vector engines and holo fields

wraithknight with suncannon, scattershield and scatter laser
wraithlord (love those guys) with BL, scatter laser, glaive and flamers

all comes down to 1847. what do you guys think? any improvements/changes to make? please post your comments below

What i mean by the thing with the bikes is you should always reserve them and hope they don't come on till late, off they board they are completely safe.

Once they get on the board hide them behind the biggest farthest away piece of LoS blocking terrain and than move them for objective grabbing/linebreaker at the last possible moment.

They have a 36 inch move so just make sure they can move to objectives/linebreaker last turn.


Suggestions on the new list

Drop the cannon on the bike, its not needed see above bikes should hide.

Drop vectored on the wraithcannon guard, the reason why its used on the scythes is because you need the extra deploment range for the flamer.

Possibly drop a spiritseer, since they aren't there to conceal 2 are enough to cover your 3 units with the primaris bubble.

Magnatize and playtest 2 scythe 1 normal vs 2 normal 1 scythe, 2 scythe may be worse than 1 scythe in terms of targets.

If you go 2 normal 1 scythe drop the vectored on the normal serpent

Don't have my codex for exact points but if you do that and go 1 scythe 2 normal i think you have 165ish points get another wraithlord, or upgrade your wraithlord to a knight and use the leftover points to make one of the normal squads bigger.

What i mean by the thing with the bikes is you should always reserve them and hope they don't come on till late, off they board they are completely safe.

Once they get on the board hide them behind the biggest fathest away piece of LoS blocking terrain and than move them for objective grabbing/linebreaker at the last possible moment.

They have a 36 inch move so just make sure they can move to objectives/linebreaker last turn.


Suggestions on the new list

Drop the cannon on the bike, its not needed see above bikes should hide.

Drop vectored on the wraithcannon guard, the reason why its used on the scythes is because you need the extra deploment range for the flamer.

Possibly drop a spiritseer, since they aren't there to conceal 2 are enough to cover your 3 units with the primaris bubble.

Magnatize and playtest 2 scythe 1 normal vs 2 normal 1 scythe, 2 scythe may be worse than 1 scythe in terms of targets.

If you go 2 normal 1 scythe drop the vectored on the normal serpent

Don't have my codex for exact points but if you do that and go 1 scythe 2 normal i think you have 165ish points get another wraithlord, or upgrade your wraithlord to a knight and use the leftover points to make one of the normal squads bigger.

will do what you suggested and post below when im done (in about 5 mins). also by vector engines do you possibly mean star engines (theyre the ones that allow you to move 24" flat out)

No I mean vectored, you move turn the tank around, unload and than turn it back around to face forward for shooting.

The wave serpents only have one access point in the back.

NEW UPDATED LIST

2 spiritseers

3 bikes
3 bikes
5 wraithguard with d-scythes in wave serpent with BL, shuriken cannon, verctored engines and holo fields
5 wraithguard with wraithcannons in wave serpent with BL, shuriken cannon and holo fields
5 wraithguard with wraithcannons in wave serpent with BL, shuriken cannon and spirit stones

wraithknight with suncannon, scattershield and scatter laser
wraithlord with BL, scatter laser, glaive and flamers
wraithlord with BL, scatter laser, glaive and flamers

is this any better? please post your comments below

Get the holo fields on the 3rd serpent, drop the spirit stones, and if you need more points drop whatever weapon on the 2nd wraithlord (flamer) makes up for the points, otherwise with your preference for lords over 2nd knight this should be one mean list.

I don't think your wave serpents need the expensive upgrades (holo fields, spirit stones). Vectored engines maybe, but they're expensive.

It would be nice to have one more spiritseer to join the third WG squad.
EDIT : Ok, I can see what tiber55 is saying about just 2 seers, but just remember that you can't split up your WG into THREE groups. You'll have to put them in at most 2 groups.

Can I point out that your Wraithknight is highly vulnerable to enemy wraithguard? Wraithknights do NOT have eternal warrior but wraithcannons cause insant death on a to wound roll of 6. That would make you a sad panda.

I like the wraithlords, not really sure about the wraithknight.

otherwise with your preference for lords over 2nd knight this should be one mean list

Do you think it would be better to swap the two wraithlords for another wraithknight and spend the spare points on vehicle upgrades?