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I am unsure of whether or not flamers can fire in melee combat, i read the rule but am still slightly unsure. it seems since in order to shoot their small range they are already in charge range. So, are they only good for firing once when they are charged, and are generally worthless apart from that? i feel like half the time i should take grenade launchers to hit at a distance

No they can not fire once you are in hand to hand.

They come in handy for cooking things that are about to charge you,you are about to charge,folks hiding in cover/camping on objectives,

An example,,,say you have a guard pcs with four flamers and a huge blob of infantry,,,facing,,,idk,,,,,bugs lets say,,,,you can preheat the bugs before the blob charges in. ,,,that sorta thing

When you get charged, if a model with a flamer is in the squad you score D3 automatic hits, counted as coming from a shooting attack (Overwatch rules). But you can't shoot in melee, even a pistol is counted as a close combat weapon.

Being in charge range is the disadvantage of a flamer. The advantages are that they ignore cover saves, they can mess up squads with worse armour saves, they allow you to charge after firing and they can, with careful positioning, put a large number of guaranteed hits on an enemy unit.

the flamer is strength 3, so on t4 it still requres 5s to wound, so the strength is the same as the nade launcher. do any of you prefer nade launcher?

The flamer is strength 4, good sir!

Thunder212 wrote:
the flamer is strength 3, so on t4 it still requres 5s to wound, so the strength is the same as the nade launcher. do any of you prefer nade launcher?

As mentioned, it is S4.

Also, D3 S4 autohits are probably better than 1 S6 snap hit. Although the GL has other uses outside of overwatch.

ah! thank you! what a big mistake to have in my calculations, :]


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d3 automatic hits, i roll a dice and automatically hit for whatever i roll?

 pretre wrote:
Although the GL has other uses outside of overwatch.

This. Grenade launchers are great for converting into melta/plasma guns if you have some spare bits and a little creativity.

(Needless to say they have no use in a game as actual grenade launchers.)

 Peregrine wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Although the GL has other uses outside of overwatch.

This. Grenade launchers are great for converting into melta/plasma guns if you have some spare bits and a little creativity.

(Needless to say they have no use in a game as actual grenade launchers.)

For a split second there I thought you'd been drugged or something have an exalt

 Peregrine wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Although the GL has other uses outside of overwatch.

This. Grenade launchers are great for converting into melta/plasma guns if you have some spare bits and a little creativity.

(Needless to say they have no use in a game as actual grenade launchers.)

Apart from them being cheap, GL's are worse when compared to all the other options. I think the only reason people take them is when they are strapped for points/trying to free up space.

Back to the point flamers are one of the best options for Guardsman. Getting charged? Eat overwatch! Charging? Burn them out. It gets the job done, cheaply. Way to go for burning all those xenos . Like I said, only use GL's when you can't afford flamers - flamers are better in almost every situation.

EDIT - flamers cost the same FLAMERS ALL THE WAY! (unless you don't intend your enemy to get to you/charge into them).