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Hi, all--

This is not necessarily a stomp-'em-all tournament list. It's mainly based on the things I really want to paint. I suppose I could take it to tournaments, but really, it's mostly just for playing against friends and entering into painting competitions.

But I'd rather not get tabled every game, you know?

Thoughts on the list?

Spiritseer 100
Wraithforge Stone

Spiritseer 85
Spear of Tethulas

Spiritseer 70

6 Wraithguard 182
Wave Serpent 150
TL Scatterlasers
Holofields
Vectored Engines

5 Wraithguard 200
D-Scythes
Wave Serpent 150
TL Scatterlasers
Holofields
Vectored Engines

6 Rangers 72

5 Rangers 60

Wraithknight 240

Wraithknight 240

Wraithknight 300
Scatterlaser
Scattershield
Suncannon


Is it reasonably playable? Or am I looking at getting beat down every game?

Anything I can do to juice the list, keeping in mind that theme is everything here?

Toyed with this idea a while.

The sweet spot seems to be 2 knights 3 units of wraithguard.

I would reccomend dropping the 300 point knight and putting a 3rd unit of wraithguard in.

If you wanted you could take a few points of the spiritseers and make the 3rd unit scythes as well, but didn't get deep into 2 scythes 1 normal vs 2 normal 1 scythe.

Replacing the rangers with jetbikes.

You have mobile denying/objective grabbing that are easy to hide.

And enough wraithguard to put the hurt on someone

It is actually a strong list. I question taking the third spiritseer as you have no room in your serpents for three. Drop him and make your 6 man team scytheguard and the 5 man team wraithguard with cannon and the 2 seers. The scythes can't benefit from spirit mark but the cannons can. The spear works well with the cannon and the stone is fantastic with triple knights.

Maybe consider the helm for your warlord to have WG eat challenges and the like.

Mostly the third seer was to go on foot and run from place to place and hide. His only job was going to be to give Twilight to whatever WK is closest.

I guess I don't need three seers, though, since I was accounting for Wraithsight and it doesn't appear to exist anymore. Yay me! The D-scythes don't need babysitting.

It's an interesting idea about changing the rangers to jet bikes. There's the obvious strategic advantage there, but I'm not sure it's entirely themely in the way I'm thinking about it. I bet there's a way I could model them without the riders, though, to make them ghost bikes. Like drone fighters. Anyone know if the Vyper canopy would fit over the seat of a jet bike?

I second the idea for the Wraithbikes, great modeling and thematic opportunity. With Cannons that saves you 10 pts.

I also second dropping the 3rd Spiritseer. Honestly, being inside the Serpents means that Twilight isn't very useful for you. You can get away with only a single Spiritseer in this list.

I would drop the Wraithstone and possible the spear, as much as I am a fan of it. Psychic Shriek is pretty damned good the way it is though the Spear is nice to greatly increase the range of wound allocation for the DScythes.

DScythes are under costed, they should be 210, not 200.

I like the list and and agreee somewhat with the gentlemen above. If you prefere 3 WK's then lose the 3rd spiritseer, however if you want the spiritseer then I suggest dropping the 3rd WK and go for a third Wraithguard unit. I play D-scythes they are awesome. good luck

Is there any thought to keeping the sun cannon WK and dropping one of the vanilla WKs? Three MEQ shredding blast templates, particularly with the possibility of laser lock, seems kind of worth it. I haven't actually played with either, so I'm just Theoryhammering here, so if someone has in-game experience, I'm listening.

I have one of each and even run them in a 1k list together. At that level its RPS with that build, most can't touch you, others wreck you. The Suncannon is indeed powerful, but AP2 isn't really lacking in your list. The Suncannon/Shield/Scatter Laser Knight makes an awesome Warlord and makes it quite difficult to give up Slay the Warlord and the Iyanden Warlord Traits are golden for him as well.

I noticed no Shuriken Cannons on the Serpents, I'd get some as they will be very helpful.

Though I would consider dropping the two extra Spiritseers and the sixth Wraithguard for another unit of 5 Wraithguard to footslog it. They make incredibly tough objective holders.

I'm going to try not running any waveserpents untill I see a real need for them. Twilight giving a 12" battle focus bubble will help me get across the board fast and still be able to shoot. I run no more than 2 wraithknights so far, but i'm toying with the idea of adding a 3rd. At this point though, i'm just trying to add more units of Wraithguard/blades.

Well, my thought was that the D-scythes would get shot to hell before they got where I need them, so they need a serpent. Then target saturation, so two serpents are better than one.

Have you had luck with slogging scythes?

I have only played one game with my Eldar, and unfortunatly, my WraithScythes did not get to mix things up. I made some tactial decisions to use this unit ( spiritseer with them ) to capture the relic, and head back toward my deployment zone with it. It worked great, they made it back with one Wraithguard and the SS alive.

I am creating more WG units now, but I think with the amount of choices i'll be giving my opponents to target, i'm not afraid if they are targeted. It's almost like pick your poison- "If you choose to wipe this unit off the board, you'll have to deal with these other equally deadly units".

Having 2 Wraithknights on the board seemed to help tremendously. My opponent tried to take out my wraithknight warlord so much, that he virtually left everything else unscathed for most of the game.

Don't get me wrong, having the warpfield on the waveserpent helps to keep it from getting "one-shotted". But I prefer for now, to sink my points into more awesome troop units- the wraiths. With the battle focus bubble, you can move, run and then shoot. So you can still cover much ground by staying on foot. Yeah you don't protect your troops so much, but you are able to field more of them.

And as mentioned, if your opponent concentrates on your wraithknights, all the better for you, especially if you make an attractive trophy out of one of them by turning him into your warlord. It's not the ultimate answer to every list out there, but this list looks just gorgeous and is equally capable in terms of being competitive.

Lists I fear but look forward to going up against:
Flying Circus list
Wave Serpent spammed list
Tau or IG gunline list ( but I am hoping my Hemlock will do something useful in these matches )

So, rethinking the list a little, here's where I'm at:

Spiritseer 100
Wraithforge Stone

Spiritseer 85
Spear of Tethulas

5 Wraithguard 160
Wave Serpent 160
TL Scatterlasers
Holofields
Vectored Engines
Shuricannon

5 Wraithguard 210
D-Scythes
Wave Serpent 160
TL Scatterlasers
Holofields
Vectored Engines
Shuricannon

5 Wraithguard 160

3 Wraithbikes 61
Shuricannon

3 Wraithbikes 61
Shuricannon

Wraithlord 145
Ghostglaive
Bright Lance

Wraithknight 240

Wraithknight 300
Scatterlaser
Scattershield
Suncannon

Still plenty of fun modeling to be had, and more bodies on the table. Plus, I think I'm gonna take the advice and use my ScatterKnight as my warlord. I decided to bring a Wraithlord here as well, because I realized I have an Iyanden army without one, and that seemed wrong...

Thoughts on the new list?

Looks efficient, balanced, and will look good on the table.

My thought is one Spiritseer in with the cannon Wraiths and one on foot with the slogging Wraiths (mostly to be able to Twilight and to hopefully Wraithstone the Wraithlord/WKs).

I'm also thinking I might go with flamers on the Wraithlord, because I am still mighty afraid of what's going to happen when there are Orks on the other side of the table...

So look at the list with those things in mind.

Worry more about DE than Orks though Flamers on the Wraithlord would be a good idea.

Honestly I feel the Wraithstone is not worth the points. Its rarely usable beyond T1 as your Wraithknights will and should outpace your army as they move to assault something juice. Having the Wraithstone tends to limit your ability to maneuver the Wraithknights around, hope for Destructor/Renew and be done.

just had thought baout ghost bikers.... you could have them built regulalry, but paint the bodies white. leave the rest of the jet bike your craftworld color scheme, but the riders white. that way it would look likt the gardains came back to pilot the bikes

Sorry to chime in late, but I have played 20+ games with an army list very similar to this one, except I run an Avatar because I have the Forgeworld spear one and dont want to see him sit, and there is no way that I would drop the suncannon wraithknight for anything. He is a killing machine and always pays for himself.

Hm... can Iyanden summon the Avatar of Khaine? I'll have to go back and reread the fluff more closely. On the surface, it sounds out of theme for me, but maybe... it -is- a very pretty model.