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I am proposing to create armies all hailing from one Imperial world, is there a precedent for having an Imperial Guard regiment as well as an Astartes Chapter being from a single planet?
I had hoped to create a decent level of background for this world.

Well, there's always Ultramar, which is basically what you've described... which, somehow, produces hard-core killers for the Imperium despite being the closest thing to a liberal democracy the Imperium has, and does not have a particularly dangerous society, ecology or history to support breeding hard-core motherfethers to make into Astartes.

So, yeah, knock yourself out.

From what I've read (in the Index Astartes anyways, not sure if other sources contradict this), Ultramar isn't a democracy or particularly liberal - it's just really well organised, and hard work supposedly gets rewarded fairly. Which is pretty cool as far as Imperial standards are concerned.
What makes regiments from Ultramar a good asset is thus not Catachan-level badassery, but sheer discipline. Not on the level of Mordians, I'm sure, but more than your average(?) regiment recruited from Hive gangers or some Feral/Feudal world's degenerate population.

As to OP's question: Astartes homeworlds aka Chapter fiefs are exempted from the normal tithe and thus are not responsible for providing troops for the Adeptus Munitorium. However, as Psienesis already mentioned, the Ultramarines are a precedent that they may still do so voluntarily. So, if your Chapter is on good terms with Terra and its world not in imminent danger (thus requiring its PDF to remain on-site), you may very well have them donate a couple regiments to Imperial efforts elsewhere.

 imperialmint wrote:
I am proposing to create armies all hailing from one Imperial world, is there a precedent for having an Imperial Guard regiment as well as an Astartes Chapter being from a single planet?
I had hoped to create a decent level of background for this world.

Necrimunda produces Imperial Guard regiments and is a recruiting planet for hte Imperial Fists.

Indeed - therre is a big difference between a world that is "homeworld" for a Chapter and a world form which they merely recruit.

Some Chapters normally just recruit from their Homeworld (Wolves, Salamanders, Blood Angels) - others from all over the Imperium.

So I gues its 40K, so Um it depends

but serioulsy consider who the Astartes are and how they recruit - do they only appear at irrgegular intervals and simply demand a tithe of the youth or else - or are actually heavily involved with the world and helping training its guard....or something else

 tundrafrog1124 wrote:
Necromunda produces Imperial Guard regiments and is a recruiting planet for hte Imperial Fists.

True, but it's not a Chapter fief. The Imperial Fists have recruiting rights, they don't rule the world. Many Chapters receive rights to some low-tech low-population world when created, where they can recruit freely and have the world be exempt from Imperial tax as long as they serve faithfully. Others have some world or worlds they're allowed to recruit from without ruling the place. Still others, like the Black Templars, recruit anywhere they fight but hold no steady base.

Also, even in the case of Ultramar and Astartes fief world that field IG regiments, I would imagine that a world that has a Space Marine chapter would be more famous for their space Marine chapter than their Imperial Guard Regiment.

I cannot imagine how it would be impossible for that regiments to outshine the Astartes based there, or how that would play out politically. An Astartes chapter feeling inferior to their world's IG regiment would not fly, especially if the Chapter gave the regiment the right to exist.

Also, in terms of Astartes autonomy, factor in that having an IG regiment would either mean that the chapter fund and arm those soldiers themselves, or they have to work with the Departmento Munitorum, which basically would mean bringing another party to encroach on their influence.

That's why I would assume that in most cases, Astartes Homeworld only field a PDF force that prolly will never set foot off the planet unless an invasion of the home system would require them to help out.

In the case of Necromunda, the Imperial Fist only recruits from the world. Necromunda has its own lord governor and Departmento regiments

You know, come to think of it ... anyone still remember the old Mentor Legion fluff? Space Marines that send "envoys" to other Imperial forces in order to teach them?

I could imagine a Chapter following this approach taking pride in how regiments raised on their homeworld perform in other warzones. The Marines themselves would probably still be more famous/popular just because they're Astartes, even when their donated PDF sees much more action and plays a strategically more important role, but the idea may have some potential.

-Volsung- wrote:Also, in terms of Astartes autonomy, factor in that having an IG regiment would either mean that the chapter fund and arm those soldiers themselves, or they have to work with the Departmento Munitorum, which basically would mean bringing another party to encroach on their influence.

Yes, I think it is chiefly an issue of resources and pride. Most Astartes homeworlds are fairly wild and untamed, and thus not very well developed. In the Index Astartes article on the Ultramarines, the "prosperity of Ultramar" was cited as the chief reason for why they can afford to donate troops (though I think the Ultras' traditional responsibility plays a huge role there as well). And pride because I'd think that a lot of Chapters do not even mind the local populace much; they've got their fortress, and every now and then they venture forth to take a new batch of recruits in - that's it. The thought that they could have a hand in developing their world or even have it send regiments to help elsewhere in the Imperium very likely doesn't even come up to most Chapter Masters. Some may even look down on such possibilities as counter-productive, for the more advanced a civilisation gets, the more it interferes with what the Astartes are looking for in their recruits.

random thought...what if, one of the chapters (perhaps a self made chapter) recruited from krieg? then you''d have the sing most hardened, badass marines, AND gaurdsmen...

I'd imagine any of the human space marines recruit from would be on par with each other in terms of their hardened physical attributes.

There's probably a certain limit to the level of physical adaptation that makes a human so badass that, upon crossing it, you're not even talking about a human anymore.

Might as well make Space Marines out of Ogryns... LOL

Wouldn't Krieg people be too strong-willed to be susceptible to hypno-indoctrination? Or, conversely, if this is a quality that only develops late in their life, how would a Krieg youth be different from an average Feral worlder, considering that the Astartes recruit at age ~10?
What makes DKoK so "badass" may well be incompatible with how Astartes are made - unless one were to overlook/ignore these (admittedly little known) details.

It also feels a bit redundant, though, as Space Marines are already hardened and "badass" by default. It would merely be tapping a famous name, but what exactly would it change about the Chapter? Assuming you don't want a Chapter of suicidal Marines who keep trying to set a new record for combat casualties amongst the Astartes.

Plus, the Mk. 7 helmets might have a hard time fitting when you try to wear a gas mask under it...

 Lynata wrote:
Wouldn't Krieg people be too strong-willed to be susceptible to hypno-indoctrination?

I'd certainly imagine their shame and their dedication to make up for it would be drilled into them as soon as they can stand up and start working for their world and the Emperor. They probably have some sort of youth organisation on par with the Hitler Jugend that everyone's required to join and other such indoctrination tools. You don't make fanatical - and competent - soldiers out of random people as easily as you do if they train all their life for it, as long as they can remember.

No, just religion doesn't cut it. You see plenty of those guys in the news doing stuff but they almost always lose their cool or prove incompetent when faced with better armed and trained forces. Praying for a hit is no substitute for actual shooting practice.

Usually the population of a Chapter's home planet are formed either into Chapter serfs or into a "self defense force" which is basically IG controlled by the Chapter and not allowed to leave the planet. This is because Chapters are separate and autonomous from the rest of the Imperium and thus not subject to the Imperial Tithe.

Spetulhu wrote:I'd certainly imagine their shame and their dedication to make up for it would be drilled into them as soon as they can stand up and start working for their world and the Emperor. They probably have some sort of youth organisation on par with the Hitler Jugend that everyone's required to join and other such indoctrination tools. You don't make fanatical - and competent - soldiers out of random people as easily as you do if they train all their life for it, as long as they can remember.
No, just religion doesn't cut it. You see plenty of those guys in the news doing stuff but they almost always lose their cool or prove incompetent when faced with better armed and trained forces. Praying for a hit is no substitute for actual shooting practice.

Yeah, that'd kind of how I imagined it as well. A bit as if the whole planet would be one huge Schola Progenium, with damp underground bunkers, an irradiated surface, and lots of rationing and recycling, Dieselpunk-style.

 Lynata wrote:
Wouldn't Krieg people be too strong-willed to be susceptible to hypno-indoctrination? Or, conversely, if this is a quality that only develops late in their life, how would a Krieg youth be different from an average Feral worlder, considering that the Astartes recruit at age ~10?
What makes DKoK so "badass" may well be incompatible with how Astartes are made - unless one were to overlook/ignore these (admittedly little known) details.

It also feels a bit redundant, though, as Space Marines are already hardened and "bad ass" by default. It would merely be tapping a famous name, but what exactly would it change about the Chapter? Assuming you don't want a Chapter of suicidal Marines who keep trying to set a new record for combat casualties amongst the Astartes.

but imagine if you will, a chapter of space marines that cannot be corrupted as easily by chaos as other chapter, because they have been brain washed since birth to serve the emperor and the emperor alone. also, i'd imagine they would give up their gas masks in exchange for a helmet, or receive custom (bad ass) helmets.

unlike another, lesser chapter, they would never retreat from a battle no matter how hopeless,
and their often suicidal charges would be more successful with power armor.
and imagine giving the space marines a Hade's drill...

 13whited wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Wouldn't Krieg people be too strong-willed to be susceptible to hypno-indoctrination? Or, conversely, if this is a quality that only develops late in their life, how would a Krieg youth be different from an average Feral worlder, considering that the Astartes recruit at age ~10?
What makes DKoK so "badass" may well be incompatible with how Astartes are made - unless one were to overlook/ignore these (admittedly little known) details.

It also feels a bit redundant, though, as Space Marines are already hardened and "bad ass" by default. It would merely be tapping a famous name, but what exactly would it change about the Chapter? Assuming you don't want a Chapter of suicidal Marines who keep trying to set a new record for combat casualties amongst the Astartes.

but imagine if you will, a chapter of space marines that cannot be corrupted as easily by chaos as other chapter, because they have been brain washed since birth to serve the emperor and the emperor alone. also, i'd imagine they would give up their gas masks in exchange for a helmet, or receive custom (bad ass) helmets.

unlike another, lesser chapter, they would never retreat from a battle no matter how hopeless,
and their often suicidal charges would be more successful with power armor.
and imagine giving the space marines a Hade's drill...

Oh wait you mean Grey Knights? Probably Exorcists as well? Oh ummm I said nothing! *cough nervously* He hem.... aannnyways.... I think the problem with this notion is that Space Marines SHOULD be retreating when it is hopeless. They shouldn't be suicidally charging. They should be drop podding, deep striking, coming in ambushes and being surgeons built for short term conflicts. Space Marines are too costly to so casually give up. The process wastes so many human lives and are just costly in general that each death of a marine is a grave loss and can sower even the greatest of victories. To make a marine takes decades even possibly a century to make so why would one throw them away? Finally, no DKoK marines DKoK are badass because they are humans MEATSHIELDS TO THE GRINDER!

 StarTrotter wrote:

 13whited wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Wouldn't Krieg people be too strong-willed to be susceptible to hypno-indoctrination? Or, conversely, if this is a quality that only develops late in their life, how would a Krieg youth be different from an average Feral worlder, considering that the Astartes recruit at age ~10?
What makes DKoK so "badass" may well be incompatible with how Astartes are made - unless one were to overlook/ignore these (admittedly little known) details.

It also feels a bit redundant, though, as Space Marines are already hardened and "bad ass" by default. It would merely be tapping a famous name, but what exactly would it change about the Chapter? Assuming you don't want a Chapter of suicidal Marines who keep trying to set a new record for combat casualties amongst the Astartes.

but imagine if you will, a chapter of space marines that cannot be corrupted as easily by chaos as other chapter, because they have been brain washed since birth to serve the emperor and the emperor alone. also, i'd imagine they would give up their gas masks in exchange for a helmet, or receive custom (bad ass) helmets.

unlike another, lesser chapter, they would never retreat from a battle no matter how hopeless,
and their often suicidal charges would be more successful with power armor.
and imagine giving the space marines a Hade's drill...

Oh wait you mean Grey Knights? Probably Exorcists as well? Oh ummm I said nothing! *cough nervously* He hem.... aannnyways.... I think the problem with this notion is that Space Marines SHOULD be retreating when it is hopeless. They shouldn't be suicidally charging. They should be drop podding, deep striking, coming in ambushes and being surgeons built for short term conflicts. Space Marines are too costly to so casually give up. The process wastes so many human lives and are just costly in general that each death of a marine is a grave loss and can sower even the greatest of victories. To make a marine takes decades even possibly a century to make so why would one throw them away? Finally, no DKoK marines DKoK are badass because they are humans MEATSHIELDS TO THE GRINDER!

fair enough.

but DKoK marine is best marine still