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I thought about trying to roll on Telepathy with my Tervigons when I thought about this combo.

Page 146, BRB:

"Gate of Infinity is a Blessing"
"Remove model from the table and then it immediately arrives using the rules for deepstrike."

Page 36, BRB:

"In the movement phase during which they arrive, deep striking units may not move any further, other than to disembark from a deep striking Transport vehicle if they are in one."

"In that turn's shooting phase.... and obviously count as having moved in the previous Movement phase."


Page 52, Tyranid Codex:

"A Tervigon can spawn Termagants in the Tyranid Movement phase before it has moved..."



Blessings are used at the start of the movement phase. The way I see it, at the beginning of the Tervigon's movement phase you can manifest a blessing (GoI) to teleport across the table. You can't move any further. However, you only count as having moved already during the shooting phase. Therefore, after you deep strike in you can spawn gaunts within 6", move regularly and then assault with them.

Thoughts?

Thatguyoverthere11 wrote:

Page 36, BRB:

"In the movement phase during which they arrive, deep striking units may not move any further, other than to disembark from a deep striking Transport vehicle if they are in one."

You quoted the line that says the Tervigon has already moved. Gaunts are spawned before you move. It's no good.

Deep striking is movement, so its not possible.

The question is phrased poorly. I think op wants to know if blessings come before movement, which they do. I don't have the nids book to tell me how the gaunts spawn though :(

Chrysis wrote:

Thatguyoverthere11 wrote:

Page 36, BRB:

"In the movement phase during which they arrive, deep striking units may not move any further, other than to disembark from a deep striking Transport vehicle if they are in one."

You quoted the line that says the Tervigon has already moved. Gaunts are spawned before you move. It's no good.

This part is often misunderstood in my opinion. A deep strike is a deployment not a move so why does it say they can't 'move any further' if they haven't moved? As I see it, this is stating that they have used up their move by deep striking, not that they have moved.

 Abandon wrote:

Chrysis wrote:

Thatguyoverthere11 wrote:

Page 36, BRB:

"In the movement phase during which they arrive, deep striking units may not move any further, other than to disembark from a deep striking Transport vehicle if they are in one."

You quoted the line that says the Tervigon has already moved. Gaunts are spawned before you move. It's no good.

This part is often misunderstood in my opinion. A deep strike is a deployment not a move so why does it say they can't 'move any further' if they haven't moved? As I see it, this is stating that they have used up their move by deep striking, not that they have moved.

So I can gate and then combat squad?

Page 36, where it has the rules for deepstrike clearly says they cannot move any further, this pretty much spells it out that Deepstrike is considered a move. So you see it as they have used up their move by deepstriking, can I try that with a psyker then, just give up is move, move another unit into range of his powers then cast it?. They have given up there move after all?.



IS there any permission or rules that allow you to deploy more then once?

MarkyMark wrote:
So I can gate and then combat squad?

No, because CS is done before deployment.

And yes, I know that that was rhetorical.

Sorry, while it'd be a cool loophole for us Tyranid players that tactic can't work.

Because the action of Deep striking causes said unit to act further "as if it's moved" you then also have to apply this to the Tervigon who's arriving from GoI.

Even though the blessing itself is used before the movement phase, you're not given permission to proceed through phases skipped DUE TO the blessing.

 Happyjew wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
So I can gate and then combat squad?

No, because CS is done before deployment.

And yes, I know that that was rhetorical.

He was saying that if Deep Striking was deployment, you could gate and CS.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
So I can gate and then combat squad?

No, because CS is done before deployment.

And yes, I know that that was rhetorical.

He was saying that if Deep Striking was deployment, you could gate and CS.

As I understand it, Happyjew was saying that even if deepstriking was deploying it would not allow you to CS as you CS before deploying (which lets you know whether you need to deploy the models together or not).

... Right. And as Deep Strike would be deployment, prior to placing the minis you'd get to CS.

So you decide to gate, and roll the dice for the psyhic test, at that current point in time is that before deployment, IF gate was deployment?. That was the point.

rigeld2 wrote:
... Right. And as Deep Strike would be deployment, prior to placing the minis you'd get to CS.

If you look at the updated Combat Squad rules in the FAQ, it seems you split them before Deployment, as in before the game starts, the "deployment phase" so to speak, not when the unit actually deploys.
The rule explains that this is because the two units count as seperate for determining reserve limits.
If you split them when they deploy, then this is long after reserve limits are needed.

nevermind - it's irrelevant and tangential. Dropping it.

MarkyMark wrote:

 Abandon wrote:

Chrysis wrote:

Thatguyoverthere11 wrote:

Page 36, BRB:

"In the movement phase during which they arrive, deep striking units may not move any further, other than to disembark from a deep striking Transport vehicle if they are in one."

You quoted the line that says the Tervigon has already moved. Gaunts are spawned before you move. It's no good.

This part is often misunderstood in my opinion. A deep strike is a deployment not a move so why does it say they can't 'move any further' if they haven't moved? As I see it, this is stating that they have used up their move by deep striking, not that they have moved.

So I can gate and then combat squad?

No. There is no qualifier on 'before deployment' so it is not 'before the unit is deployed' but rather 'before the deployment phase'(as in before anything is deployed) that the squad must be split.

MarkyMark wrote:

Page 36, where it has the rules for deepstrike clearly says they cannot move any further, this pretty much spells it out that Deepstrike is considered a move. So you see it as they have used up their move by deepstriking, can I try that with a psyker then, just give up is move, move another unit into range of his powers then cast it?. They have given up there move after all?.

Did they move during the movement phase? No.
Does it say they count as having moved at that time? No.(during the subsequent shooting phase they will but we are still at the movement phase)

So what makes you say they count as having moved?

Saying they 'can't move any further' does not mean they have moved or count as such. That is just a rule saying they can't move from where they are. It's like saying place them at location X and they cannot move beyond that. Yes, I agree that is a bit of a stretch but considering that RAW does not include any movement or anything that is stated to count as moving for the unit up to that point it's the only reasoning left for their choice of words. They state that it will count as having moved during the shooting phase but that says nothing about during the movement phase.... that's my RAW opinion.

RAI, I believe they do count as having moved during movement. Every indication is there for it as if they just forgot to actually say it.

No, you cannot take a normal move with any of your units and then use a psychic power. Blessing/maledictions happen at the start of the movement phase before normal moves as it is generally played. There's some room for interpretation if you really want to debate that though as they do not exactly define the 'start of movement' very well but it's a reasonable assessment that everything that is said to happen at the start of the phase occurs before everything else.

MarkyMark wrote:

IS there any permission or rules that allow you to deploy more then once?

There is only one deployment phase. A unit though can be deployed several times if it has a rule allowing it to do so (usually by getting it into ongoing reserves).

I am pretty sure there is an FAQ that states that abilities such as the Tervigon's spawn termagants have to be used before blessings, but I may have made that up in my head and I am unable to pull up the FAQs right now.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
I am pretty sure there is an FAQ that states that abilities such as the Tervigon's spawn termagants have to be used before blessings, but I may have made that up in my head and I am unable to pull up the FAQs right now.

There's no FAQ.
However the ability must be used before it moves.
If it uses Gate then it counts as moving, so can't spawn.
If it spawns, it is now past the start of the Movement phase, so can't gate.
There's just no way to use both in the same turn.