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My GW is hosting an event to promote sales for when the new dex hits (don't worry our GW is one of the dew good ones ) and it motivated meto finally start my Crimson Fists and stop just playing count-as games using my cron models.

Anyways here we go

HQ
Pedro Kantor

5 Honour Guard
All with Relic Blades

ELITES
5 Sternguard
2 Combi-Melta
2 Combi-Plasma
Drop Pod

5 Sternguard
2 Combi-Melta
2 Combi-Plasma
Drop Pod

TROOPS
10 Tacticals
Lascannon
Plasmagun
Combi-Plasma
Rhino

10 Tacticals
Lascannon
Plasmagun
Combi-Plasma
Rhino

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon
Skyhammer

Stormtalon
Skyhammer

HEAVY SUPPORT
TFC
Drop Pod

Land Raider
MM

I planned this out according to the point changes from the rumours they should be correct but feel free to correct me if I am wrong. The Honour Guard seem worth it now with the huge points decrease so I am hoping that they can deliver a huge punch when combined with Pedro's +1 attack ability. Pedro will take any challenge with a 2+ armour while the HG champion takes any other challenge (unless of course it would gib Pedro of course). The SG will drop down on any high priority targets (I'm considering trying to get a flamer in there to roast pathfinders) and the land raider filled with HG meet up with them while the tacs combat squad and the rhinos shoot for midfield objectives with the plasmas while the lascannons sits back with the TFC on preferably a backfield objective in ruins. The Talons focus on AA while going for light tanks and medium infantry afterwards. TFC takes out infantry like it always has and boosts ruins to a 3+.

Thoughts?

I have not participated in a tourney yet, but I personally go for 10men sternies w/combis and a HF so I can combat squad and target 4 diff units, putting tacs in DP so I can increase the amount of DPs first turn. I am however skeptical about the TFC considering you alr have a LR and no scouts w/snipers to benefit from better cover saves

Interesting list here though,I do like the idea of having two flyers and the LR to go along with the DPs

Putting tacs in DP and taking out the TFC would free up points for other things like a chappie which combined with Pedro and 2 10men sternies would be brutal due to his rerolls or you might consider a Libby with null zone.or maybe add more HG.






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U might want to consider swapping c-melta and c-plasma for combi gravs. According to the rumours, the higher the targets armor saves, the more damage the grav gun does to it along with immobilization and a hull point gone when a 6 is rolled against a vehicle

Ya I read the rumours about grav weapons and honestly I am not impressed by them. If I want to damage a vehicle with my one combi shot I'm gonna take a melta, if I'm gonna take out something with a 2+ I'm gonna take a gun that can pierce its armour and not just pile on wounds or get a immobilized


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Oh and as for the pods right now I am getting both SG squads down t1 and nothing is being hampered by being in reserves (except the fliers) if I were to bring any more pods I would just scrap the list and go all out pod spam. I didn't bother with any scouts mainly because I suffer from new model syndrome and can't get over how much my new lascannon marine looks ajd if I were to just take him he would be useless so I took 2 squads for redundancy.


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I do like the chappy idea though I will have to playtest and see if the chappy will be worth the dropping of my one real heavy support unit to give the HG more hitting power on the charge

A mix list it is then!!

It is pretty balanced and doesn't doesn't require being too dependably on a certain unit. Although this is however a Pedro list, hence more of an emphasis on the sternies, but that's okay coz I know I myself just love using just his bubble bonus.

And..

What about just having 1 10men sternguard instead of 2 so you can free up some points from the DP for more combis,a HF or a HG?

But if your going for odd number of DPs, put a tac squad in a DP instead of a rhino to bump the amount back up to 3 DP

Another option would be too replace one rhino with a razorback and reducing one tac squad to 6. You still get 2 lascannons(although you can't shoot at multiple targets) and you can free up points. In a Pedro list with sternies w/DP the opponent will direct everything at the sternies until their dead ,keeping your other units relatively untouched for one extra turn. But if they're not totally a kamikaze unit, the sternies are still scoring so the reduction of 10 to 6men in the tac squad should be okay.and your other tac squad can still get 2 plasma guns. Overall similar amount of firepower and more points for combis, chappie(unlikely),more HG etc

Hope you found this somewhat usefull

I like the idea about combining the SG into one pod. With the points saved fron dropping the empty pod on the TFC and the 5 SG I could afford 2 more HG with relic blades (unless axes would be more useful incase termies or something tie them up)

I would try to alwys take 10 sternguard. With the drop in points they are almost better without the combi weapons that doubled in cost.

I think that if you want combi weapons I would do maybe 3 meltas or so in a 10 man and you then have the choice to combat squad when you come down and target both a tank and infantry at the same time or focus all on infantry.

I would drop the las cannons on the tacticals too. You will most of the time be moving to get into bolter range and its unreliable, although cheap, to have them.

I play dark angels normally and seeing 10 pt lascannons made me think they would be epic. Not as much as hoped...

I would add another t fire cannon. The rumor is they will be barrage now whi makes them bonker as you will crush tau behind alines etc without even risking yourself.

The honor guard, although fluffy and fun, are not a very strong choice. I own some for my imperial fists and I do enjoy them, but I think the points could be spent towards another sternguard (scoring) or a cheaper tactical.

Nice solid start to a list though. Go fists!

Well I plan on combat squading the tacs to let the lacannons sit back in ruins with the TFC. I doubt the TFC will get barrage I haven't seen that in any of the reliable rumour areas. The honour guard are getting a significant points drop in the new dex and so are their relic blades so I will be taking them instead of TH/SS termis (and the godhammer variant is getting dropped down to 10 models so pedro won't be able to fit anymore.

In your list, you alr have a 10men sternie squad to wreck havoc on anything first turn, 2 stormtalons with skyhammer and a LR which are all pretty AT.

I would advise changing one stormtalon to typhoon , to make your fliers more versatile(anti infantry). The sky hammers are better against other fliers and anything with 4+ saves but their range would mean you can't use it's assault cannons due to varying range.the typhoon is more effective against heavy vehicles and below but not as good against other fliers. Not to mention the minimum 12" movement everyturn, there's not a lot of places your typhoons can't target

I agree with taking out the lascannons. You need more anti horde units or just more Anti infantry. Get an ML instead, it's cheaper.



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Or storm bolters on the rhinos maybe???

I don't think the 5 point difference is worth it for an ML (new dex points say its 15) as for anti horde I'm gonna try and toss in a heavy flamer or some combi flamers in the SG squad and swap of my other combis around for it

How do you plan to play the TFC?

Here's an updated list of what im thinking of doing

@icelord I saw the rumour about how silly the new TFC will be with barrage so I tossed another one in

HQ
Pedro 185

7 Honour Guard 218
2 Axes
5 Relic Blades

TROOPS
10 Tacs 220
Las
Plas
Combi plas
Rhino

10 Tacs 220
Las
Plas
Combi Plas
Rhino

ELITES
10 Sternguard 335 (combat squad right away)
2 Combi Melta
2 Combi Plas
2 Combi Flamer (the flamers split into one per squad while the plas and melta stay seperate)
Drop Pod

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon 115
Skyhammer Missiles

Stormtalon 115
Skyhammer Missiles

HEAVY SUPPORT
Godhammer Landraider 260
Multi Melta

TFC 100

TFC 100

Note that this is all according to the new point costs according to the rumours


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 Senortaco wrote:
How do you plan to play the TFC?

In ruins with the lascannon squads to plink away at infantry and give my marines a better cover

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The new list does look better. I was asking coz in the original list you gave the TFC a DP.

The list does look pretty good. IMO you all set to go.

Hope the list works for you!!

Looks much improved! Good luck to you!

 Senortaco wrote:

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The new list does look better. I was asking coz in the original list you gave the TFC a DP.

The list does look pretty good. IMO you all set to go.

Hope the list works for you!!

The drop pod on the tfc was going to drop down empty I just was using that to get both SG pods down first

Hi, I assume you don't have the codex yet so I've fixed some of the points costs for you.

7 Honour Guard
2 Axes
5 Relic Blades
= 235

10 Sternguard
2 Combi Melta
2 Combi Plas
2 Combi Flamer
Drop Pod
= 325

Stormtalon
Skyhammer Missiles
= 125

 osmesis wrote:
Hi, I assume you don't have the codex yet so I've fixed some of the points costs for you.

7 Honour Guard
2 Axes
5 Relic Blades
= 235

10 Sternguard
2 Combi Melta
2 Combi Plas
2 Combi Flamer
Drop Pod
= 325

Stormtalon
Skyhammer Missiles
= 125

I don't think anybody has the new dex besides those from the rumour sites and such

 A GumyBear wrote:

 osmesis wrote:
Hi, I assume you don't have the codex yet so I've fixed some of the points costs for you.

7 Honour Guard
2 Axes
5 Relic Blades
= 235

10 Sternguard
2 Combi Melta
2 Combi Plas
2 Combi Flamer
Drop Pod
= 325

Stormtalon
Skyhammer Missiles
= 125

I don't think anybody has the new dex besides those from the rumour sites and such

Some people do...

 osmesis wrote:

 A GumyBear wrote:

 osmesis wrote:
Hi, I assume you don't have the codex yet so I've fixed some of the points costs for you.

7 Honour Guard
2 Axes
5 Relic Blades
= 235

10 Sternguard
2 Combi Melta
2 Combi Plas
2 Combi Flamer
Drop Pod
= 325

Stormtalon
Skyhammer Missiles
= 125

I don't think anybody has the new dex besides those from the rumour sites and such

Some people do...

Your right, I done goofed my friend just bought it from our FLGS, my bad


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Now that I have access to the dex I can actually have this list be correct.

HQ
Pedro 185

6 Honour Guard 200
2 Axes
4 Relic Blades

TROOPS
10 Tacs 220
Las
Plas
Combi plas
Rhino

10 Tacs 220
Las
Plas
Combi Plas
Rhino

ELITES
10 Sternguard 325
2 Combi Melta
2 Combi Plas
2 Combi Flamer
Drop Pod

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon 125
Skyhammer Missiles

Stormtalon 125
Skyhammer Missiles

HEAVY SUPPORT
Godhammer Landraider 250

TFC 100

TFC 100

Okay now that I have a legal list points wise lets get to critiquing

Haven't gotten the new codex yet but oohhh, the price drops!!

Still looks okay and I can't really give you any solid advise besides maybe a stalker/hunter if your opponents are flier heavy.

But that's really all I have

 Senortaco wrote:
Haven't gotten the new codex yet but oohhh, the price drops!!

Still looks okay and I can't really give you any solid advise besides maybe a stalker/hunter if your opponents are flier heavy.

But that's really all I have

I really dislike the stalker/hunter due to lack of interceptor and being on a weak platform. I think they will suffer from the same thing the hydra currentlg suffers from.

Skyfire isn't the worst, with all the Wave Serpents and Skyrays wandering around these days you'll often have something to shoot at with full BS.

TehCheator wrote:
Skyfire isn't the worst, with all the Wave Serpents and Skyrays wandering around these days you'll often have something to shoot at with full BS.

True but you don't see hydras running around in ig lists these days for a reason. They have potential to be good but also have the potential to be near useless