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So I'm hopefully going to be attending heat 3 of the UK 40K GT in Warrington, in November. So the lists in question are a chaos daemon flying circus list, and a necron wraithwing/tesla spam list.

List 1, chaos daemons:
Keeper of secrets, mastery level 2 and 2 greater rewards
Lord of change, mastery level 3 and 2 greater rewards

10 pink horrors including iridescent horror
10 pink horrors including iridescent horror

Daemon prince, mark of slaanesh, warp-forged armour, daemonic flight, mastery level 2, 1 exalted reward and 1 greater reward
Daemon prince, mark of slaanesh, warp-forged armour, daemonic flight, mastery level 2 and 2 greater rewards
Daemon prince, mark of slaanesh, warp-forged armour, daemonic flight, mastery level 2 and 2 greater rewards

The exalted reward will be the grimoire of true names, at least one greater reward on the keeper of secrets will be the lash of despair, unless I roll armour and 4+ FNP. Daemon princes will also take the lash of despair and hopefully get 4+ FNP. Daemon princes will roll on biomancy for both their psychic powers, hoping for iron arm. Lord of change will keep both greater rewards and roll on divination for 2 psychic powers, and 1 roll on the change discipline.

And list 2, necrons:
Destroyer lord, sempiternal weave, mindshackle scarabs and warscythe

5 warriors, night scythe
5 warriors, night scythe
5 warriors, night scythe
5 warriors, night scythe

6 wraiths
5 wraiths
5 wraiths

Annihilation barge, tesla cannon
Annihilation barge, tesla cannon
Annihilation barge, tesla cannon

Destroyer lord goes with a unit of wraiths, dependant on opponent's army, either with 5 wraiths to make first blood against a wraith unit harder, or the 6 wraiths for extra protection. Not really much else to it.

So which list do you think is better, and in what ways can I improve either of the lists?

I would invest in a lesser reward for LoC, staff of change +2 Str and characters explode if killed in a challenge is awesome for 10pts.

I would also look to take more exalted rewards on the DPs, riftbringer (2) gives you more troops and if you don't get it portaglyph/grimnoire are both solid choices. I'd also be tempted to take a Tzeentch DP as the higher ld for psychic tests, and re-rolling 1's for saves is very good.

@Captainjay, I prefer slaanesh prices, because they can reliably get 2D6 shots off. I'll consider putting more exalted rewards in, but it will mean dropping some greater rewards, but which list do you prefer?

The other suggestion would be swapping the LoC for fateweaver, he's not a beat-stick in CC, but can throw out plenty of shooting/buffs and his re-roll and Warlord trait are both very useful.

I prefer the daemons list, but I think the necron one is more balanced tbh. I would definitely thinking about taking at least one Tzeentch DP, as defensively it's much stronger, and if you're swapping one greater reward out for Lash, you're probably only looking at 3+/5++ for defence.

Seeing as how many eldar and tau lists are currently appearing in the uk tournys I think the necron list has had its day, yes it can still win and win big with the right general but over 6 games I dont see it happening, not at warrington either.

The first list is ok, only book missions will be played very weak on troops though and slaanesh princes just arent as reliable to small arms fire as tzeentch princes are.

Well my thinking with the necrons was that due to the new marines and their grav-weapons, people won't want to take triple riptide, or wraithknights and riptides, since they will die quickly. So to counter this wraiths have no armour saves and can easily take down a couple of riptides, using LOS blocking terrain and getting a turn 2 charge.

Looking at it then, currently it's daemons I'm taking. But probably drop a couple of mastery levels somewhere and the iridescent horrors, to change some daemon princes into tzeentch princes and fit a portalglyph in, in place of a greater reward.

Right based on your comments, this is my new updated chaos daemon army:

Keeper of secrets, mastery level 2 and 2 greater rewards
Lord of change, mastery level 2 and 2 greater rewards

10 pink horrors including iridescent horror
10 pink horrors including iridescent horror

Daemon prince, mark of Tzeentch, warp-forged armour, daemonic flight, mastery level 2, 1 exalted reward (grimoire) and 1 greater reward
Daemon prince, mark of slaanesh, warp-forged armour, daemonic flight, mastery level 2, 1 exalted reward (Portalglyph) and 1 greater reward
Daemon prince, mark of slaanesh, warp-forged armour, daemonic flight, mastery level 2 and 2 greater rewards

Again, at least one greater reward on the keeper of secrets will be the lash of despair, unless I roll armour and 4+ FNP. Daemon princes will also take the lash of despair and hopefully get 4+ FNP. Daemon princes will roll on biomancy for both their psychic powers, hoping for iron arm. Lord of change will keep both greater rewards and roll on divination for 2 psychic powers, and 1 roll on the change discipline.

So thoughts on this updated list?

If the LoC is mastery level 3 I would swap the 2 iridescent horrors + LoC for fateweaver tbh, the guranteed warlord trait and every turn re-roll is crazily good. Currently a 3 on the warp-storm table will ruin you (having 3 DPs, 2 Greater Daemons + 2 Characters in horror squad odds are one of the expensive guys will cop it.

The other bad results can really screw you as well, with fateweaver you're controlling the randomness, and the 3 DPs and KoS are plenty choppy enough.

A comment on the necrons list, being a cron myself, is that warriors function much better in larger groups. If you want small groups, use immortals, they have a better weapon and a better save which makes them a better choice for small units. Beyond that, the list seems okay. One question, is the destroyer lord going with a wraith unit? If not, put him with the 6 man wraith unit.

@CaptainJay, currently I can't fit fateweaver into my list, because I updated it to list 2, and if I remove anything (excluding the iridescent horrors) then it's a loss that will affect will my list a lot.

@Trazyn the Murderous, the necron list is maxed out at 1650pts and I can't really get rid of 80pts, to make space to upgrade the warriors to immortals. I only took minimum sized squads to; a) max. out on nights scythes and wraiths, and b) they're only going to get out during the later game stages to grab/contest objectives. And if one or two get blown up, then the warriors can on from my board edge and claim the objectives in my deployment zone. Concerning the destroyer lord, yes he will be joining a wraiths squad, most likely the 6 man squad, but in some cases join a 5 man squad at the start of the game, so my opponent can't get first blood as easily. Eg a serpent spam list can't kill my annihilation barges easily, so will aim for my wraiths, and most likely one of my 5 man squads. So I'll put the D.lord in one of them instead, so my opponent can only target one wraith squad for any hope of getting first, obviously this only works in some case. But yes most likely the unit of 6 wraiths he will be joining.

I got confused because you've listed the LoC as lvl 2, but then said you'd roll 3 powers for him. You could squeeze in fateweaver by ditching both Irridiscent Horrors and switching the Tz DP back to Slaanesh (while a Tz DP is more stronger defensively than a Slaanesh one, the benefits fateweaver would bring to your army over the lord of change is bigger).

I feel like you haven't rolled too many bad results on the warp-storm or you'd be agreeing with me :-P either way 5 MCs 4 of which are flying are going to cause most armies problems.

Well, the Necron list is very strong: I've played similar lists in RTTs and I'm still undefeated. Can't comment too much about the Daemon list. Once I faced such a list. He went for my unis like the Barges but I went for his throat killing all his troops and claiming objectives with my troops (thanks to Night Scythes).

Oh sorry, I copied the original list and forgot to change some stuff in the text.

@CaptainJay, yeah I could do that, so list 2, all 3 princes are slaanesh and no iridescent horrors and that should save me enough points to change The Lord if change into fateweaver, the lists actually come 1645pts, so I already had an extra spare 5pts.

@Wuestenfux, yeah no doubt in a match up between these 2 lists the necron one would win hands down. But in the current competitive scene, will the eldar and tau players around, I don't really know which one do better, hence this post really.

I'm not sure it's that easy a win for the necrons (depending how the rolls for greater rewards + psychic powers go). He'll probably be able to nail your troops choices no problem, but lash of despair (Str6+ w/Iron and rending) should do alright against the Flyers/Annhilation Barges, rolling up puppet master would be even better, get an annhilation barge to shoot down a flier and then trash the barge in assault :-P but agreed it's definitely advantage necrons for that pairing.

Alright maybe not hands down, but on paper necrons do have the advantage. I think depending on what psychic powers and greater gifts you get, will influence the style of play you adopt for that game with the chaos daemons.