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Hi,

I have played recently a RTT Tournie at 2K pts with Grey Knights. The list I made has probed distinctly weak, accumulating defeat after defeat until finishing at the last place -42 players-.

I could have blamed luck, my enemies, my own game -that, of course, have had something to do- but my guess is that my list was too weak to deal with the cheesie list usual at tournaments. Thus I have developed other list that, I hope, it's stronger than the first.

First a comment about the logic of it: I will use the IG as gun meat to draw as much attention as they can from the enemy, advancing in a rush -on foot- to prepare the way for the Termies, meanwhile the Inquisitorial Troops, Dreadnougths and Leman Russ provided them with support fire. Once in position I intend to deploy the Termies -using the homing devices on the Inquisitorial veterans- and then charge the enemy. More or less that would be my tactics.

Now the list:

HQ.- Grand Master @145 w/psycannon, master crafted nemesis weapon.Sacred Incense.
          Escort: 4 Terminators.                                                                                                 384 pts

Elite 1.- 5 Terminators. Brother Captain. w/Grimoire. Psycannon. 2 thunderhammer.              250 pts

Elite 2.- 4 Terminators. Brother Captain. Incinerator. 1 Thunderhammer.                                214 pts

Troop 1.- 8 Storm troopers. Veteran. Homer. 1 melta. 1 plasma.                                           120 pts

Troop 2.- 9 Storm troopers. Veteran. Homer. 1 melta. 1 plasma.                                           130 pts

Troop 3.- IG Platoon.
       Command troop: Heavy bolter. 2 squads w/flamers.                                                        182 pts

Troop 4.- IG Platoon.
       Command troop: Heavy bolter. 2 squads w/flamers.                                                        182 pts

Fast Attack 1.- Sentinels troop. 2 vehicles. w/multilaser. Advanced Comms.                           130 pts

Heavy support 1.- Dreadnought. Twin linked laser. Missile launcher. Searchlight.                    141 pts

Heavy support 2.- Dreadnought. Assault gun.                                                                         110 pts

Heavy support 3.- Leman Russ. Heavy bolter. Heavy flamers. Searchlight.                              156 pts.

                                                                Total:                                                                  1,999 pts

Comments welcomed.

1) ST sqds- either 2 plasma or 2 meltas in each. Not good to mix them up within sqds.

2) 1st time I've ever seen flamers on a Russ. If it's to support the advancing Inf, I think HB's is a better investment.

3) Since both Dreads are just as difficult to take out, guess which one I'm gunning for 1st. I would try to bring them more in line points wise. Seems silly right? Not really, considering the Ass Cannon is the shizzle now. You could save points AND make your opponent decide which 1 to go after. If they are equal, losing one doesn't cramp your style too much. As it is, you'll give up 31 extra VP's.

4) Add some falmers to the PHQ with the points you just saved. That makes up to 6 flamers instead of 2. Not bad huh?

5) I don't know that this tactic is the way to improve your win ratio. IG have the conscripts to do the exact same thing, for less points and they aren't a very good investment....

Hi. I have played DH at 8 tourneys so far, never won but made top 10-15 sometimes (that's good for DH).

If you really want to keep Termies+IG I ll give you my advice and what to include:

IG:

1 Russ, las, 2hbs, imp comms at 185pts
1 Sentinel, las, searchlight 56pts

1 Chimera, ML/HB, searchlight at 86pts
10 Armored fist, las, plas, vet ld 8 at 101pts
1 Chimera, ML/HB, searchlight at 86pts
10 Armored fist, las, plas,vet ld 8 at 101pts

this comes at: 615pts for 4 lascannons, 1 battle cannon, 2 multilasers, 4 heavy bolters and 2 plasmaguns. 20 ld 8 guards, 3 tanks, 1 light vehicle.


Then get the inquisition:

5 Stormtroopers, 2 meltas, vet homer at 90pts
1 Rhino, extra arm, smoke at 58pts

5 Stormtroopers, 2 plasmas at 70pts

1 Inquisitor: tele homer, incinerator at 40pts (rides with rhino)

this comes at 268pts

which leaves you 11117 pts for GK:

1 GK Dread, tl lascannon, extra armor 135pts
1 GK Dread, tl las cannon, extra armor 135pts

1 Gmaster, psycannon, incense 185pts
+3 GKTermies, psycannon at 153pts

4 GKTermies, 2 psycannons at 254pts
4 GKTermies, 2 psycannons at 254pts

this comes at 1999pts, leaving 1 pt for a searchlight on 1 Dread.

Recap goes like this:

HQ
1 Gmaster, psycannon, incense 185pts
+3 GKTermies, psycannon at 153pts

ELITES
4 GKTermies, 2 psycannons at 254pts
4 GKTermies, 2 psycannons at 254pts
1 Inquisitor: tele homer, incinerator at 40pts (rides with rhino)

FAST
1 Sentinel, las, searchlight 56pts

TROOPS
5 Stormtroopers, 2 meltas, vet homer at 90pts
1 Rhino, extra arm, smoke at 58pts
5 Stormtroopers, 2 plasmas at 70pts

10 Armored fist, las, plas, vet ld 8 at 101pts
1 Chimera, ML/HB, searchlight at 86pts
10 Armored fist, las, plas,vet ld 8 at 101pts
1 Chimera, ML/HB, searchlight at 86pts

HEAVY
1 Russ, las, 2hbs, imp comms at 185pts
1 GK Dread, tl lascannon, extra armor 135pts
1 GK Dread, tl las cannon, extra armor, searchlight 136pts

1 battlecannon, 6 lascannons, 2 multilasers, 6 psycannons, 4 heavybolters, 4 plasmas, 2 meltaguns, 1 incinerator some stormbolters etc..

13 GKTermies, 11 stormie saves, 20 IG, 3 tanks, 3 walkers, 1 transport.
Good Luck! Try it...

Wow! Thanks a lot! That's a lot of food for thought...

I have a couple of questions.

For Adon:
I am not sure about taking laser cannons with the IG... Are they really useful enough to invest the points on them instead on meltas?

For Flagg:
I am worried with the loss of range if I put Assault Cannon on both... May be I should add another Missile launcher with the saved points on Dreadnought 2?

As, fortunately, I have enough painted miniatures to represent both lists -Leman Russ is the only miniature I have not... yet- I will try both lists and see which one I feel more comfortable playing.

Thanks again for the advice.

There is no real point taking a LC on a Russ, EVER.
1) It costs more than a HB.
2) 3 HB is much more effective than 2 HB and a LC

The sentinel is a waste of 65 points (IMHO). Sure, it has a LC, but that 1 LC is vulnerable to bolter fire. Maybe use those points to upgrade the 2nd ST sqd with a VEt SGT and Homer? Then the Inq can travel with one of the IF Sqds (Chimera holds 11) ensuring an even better chance of your Termis ending up where you want them.

Granted, you lose range with the AC. Thing is, it decimates Infantry and Vehicles alike thanks to rending. The LC, on the other hand, is pretty much JUST AT. AC's are also cheaper.