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So I was looking at the new Eldar codex and realized that now they are actually really good now, and possibly even usable. I busted out my old models to see what I could make that could be slightly effective and this is what I came up with.

Farseer -100

Spirit seer -70

warlock -35

Dire avengers x10 exarch tw shruiken catapult -150

10 Guardians Scatter laser -110

6 Howling Banshees exarch executioner -110

5 wraithguard -160
With wave serpent w/ bright lance star engines -135

Fireprism holofields -140

So the general plan is run the wave serpent up into the enemy deployment with the wraithguard and spiritseer, with warlock concealing Guardians and farseer running with the avengers. The wave serpent keeps the enemy preoccupied with destroying it drawing attention away from the rest of the army slogging it up on foot. Banshees make it up get into CC and destroy face, Avengers and Guardians fire on doomed squads while the guided Fireprism either pops tanks or takes care of hoards.

Thoughts?

Drop BL on wave serpent, and instead replace them with scatter lasers. read otehr eldar list posts with wave serpents, its the only way to equip them. theres alot of reasons why its better, you can google it.

starengines arnt really needed, the serpent is really fast anyways, and instead it would be better to get holo feilds. a much better upgrade.

howling banshees are not good, they can run fast, but they still cant assult after they run. better to put those points into making the wraithgaurd have D scythes, an amzing weapon. also making far seer a laughing seer would help.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
Drop BL on wave serpent, and instead replace them with scatter lasers. read otehr eldar list posts with wave serpents, its the only way to equip them. theres alot of reasons why its better, you can google it.

starengines arnt really needed, the serpent is really fast anyways, and instead it would be better to get holo feilds. a much better upgrade.

howling banshees are not good, they can run fast, but they still cant assult after they run. better to put those points into making the wraithgaurd have D scythes, an amzing weapon. also making far seer a laughing seer would help.

I'm assuming scatter laser for laserlock? Only reason I said bright lance was for some anti tank besides my Fireprism, didn't want all my eggs i one basket.
If the wearer of the mask of the mantle of the laughing God has hit and run shroud and stealth, does the rest of the unit have it as well?
And what would be thoughts on striking scorpions infiltrating instead of the banshees?

stevie4568 wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
Drop BL on wave serpent, and instead replace them with scatter lasers. read otehr eldar list posts with wave serpents, its the only way to equip them. theres alot of reasons why its better, you can google it.

starengines arnt really needed, the serpent is really fast anyways, and instead it would be better to get holo feilds. a much better upgrade.

howling banshees are not good, they can run fast, but they still cant assult after they run. better to put those points into making the wraithgaurd have D scythes, an amzing weapon. also making far seer a laughing seer would help.

I'm assuming scatter laser for laserlock? Only reason I said bright lance was for some anti tank besides my Fireprism, didn't want all my eggs i one basket.
If the wearer of the mask of the mantle of the laughing God has hit and run shroud and stealth, does the rest of the unit have it as well?
And what would be thoughts on striking scorpions infiltrating instead of the banshees?

scatters with shuiken cannon with serpent sheild all TL puts out alot of s6-7 shots, which are actually better at anti tank then 1 BL shot.

Mantle makes you lose indepent character speicial rule, but when hes on a jetbike he has a reollable 2+ with 3 wounds. thats gonna take 118 shots at s7 or less to down him.

scorpains are a good chioce.

As long as you can keep the farseer hidden and out of danger, having him on foot is ok. I personnally do NOT think a jetbike is an absolute must.

You gain very little with the Dire Avenger Exarch TL ASC he already hits on a 2+ why pay for the TL. If you must upgrade the exarch go with shimmershield and power weapon since they are on foot the 5++ save may help his unit. All you need to do is grab your bits and exchange some arms. Otherwise 10 Dire Avengers are solid without an exarch.

The Guardians gain nothing from the scatter laser but it is a good weapon. a higher AP weapon would be better.

Wave Serpents benefit big time from a scatter laser, one hit will TL the serpent shield if you need to shoot it. If your going to rush the serpent i suggest holofields, but. don't expect 5 wraith cannons to be game changers either, although you could get lucky.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
As long as you can keep the farseer hidden and out of danger, having him on foot is ok. I personnally do NOT think a jetbike is an absolute must.

You gain very little with the Dire Avenger Exarch TL ASC he already hits on a 2+ why pay for the TL. If you must upgrade the exarch go with shimmershield and power weapon since they are on foot the 5++ save may help his unit. All you need to do is grab your bits and exchange some arms. Otherwise 10 Dire Avengers are solid without an exarch.

The Guardians gain nothing from the scatter laser but it is a good weapon. a higher AP weapon would be better.

Wave Serpents benefit big time from a scatter laser, one hit will TL the serpent shield if you need to shoot it. If your going to rush the serpent i suggest holofields, but. don't expect 5 wraith cannons to be game changers either, although you could get lucky.

That upgrade was literally just to fill 5 points, but I didn't realise shimmer shield benefited the whole squad, I thought it just made him that little bit more durable in CC.

i figured the guardians would need all the fire they can get, but now that they're BS 4, a bright lance could be worth taking with them, as it is more likely to hit.

I was considering taking ninja's advice and taking D-Sythes in lieu of Banshees, which could destroy a whole squad of just about anything by the looks of them. Plus theres less chance of a tenth of my army being destroyed before they can even get into combat.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
As long as you can keep the farseer hidden and out of danger, having him on foot is ok. I personnally do NOT think a jetbike is an absolute must.

You gain very little with the Dire Avenger Exarch TL ASC he already hits on a 2+ why pay for the TL. If you must upgrade the exarch go with shimmershield and power weapon since they are on foot the 5++ save may help his unit. All you need to do is grab your bits and exchange some arms. Otherwise 10 Dire Avengers are solid without an exarch.

The Guardians gain nothing from the scatter laser but it is a good weapon. a higher AP weapon would be better.

Wave Serpents benefit big time from a scatter laser, one hit will TL the serpent shield if you need to shoot it. If your going to rush the serpent i suggest holofields, but. don't expect 5 wraith cannons to be game changers either, although you could get lucky.

im not saying on foots bad, or that a sear is required.... just saying its good.

i like having a near invincible warlord.

Just keep in mind that all eldar powers are random now, with conceal & guide being primaris. So planning around doom can turn out poorly. Also warlocks are leadership 8, meaning they'll be failing a notable amount of their powers, so relying on them to keep your guardians alive can be a fools errand.

To be honest I'd drop the warlock altogether, They really shine on jetbike squadrons (with a chance to give the entire squad a 2+ armour save, or improve their jink) but having them in a guardian squad is a debatable addition, especially when you've only got 1000 points to play with.

The banshees are better traded for the infiltrating scorpions as you suggested earlier. Banshees didn't really get much of a buff outside movement speed, but as noted they can't run and assault, nor can they assault from a vehicle. They are a fairly high priority target as nobody wants a squad of banshees in their face, so the fact that they really don't weather a round of shooting very well makes scorpions *almost* always a better choice. I'd recommend 5 and a claw exarch.

As stated many times before, Wave serpents benefit GREATLY from scatter lasers. the ability to re-roll literally every weapon on the tank to hit makes it an invaluable troop killer (as well as a surprisingly effecting anti-flyer vehicle). Concerning your anti-tank worries, Your fire prism and wraithguard SHOULD be able to kill any armour your opponent has in a 1000 pt game, but if you're still worried - If you remove the warlock you have more than enough points to add a shuriken cannon onto the serpent for armor 12, upgrade your guardians to a bright lance, or even turn them into jetbikes with a couple cannons. (seriously, jetbikes are awesome). Also if you take scorpions you'll likely have an exarch with a claw for punching MCs, chars, and vehicles.

The wraithguard in the serpent are a good choice, since they don't have battle focus getting such a scary unit right into your opponent's face with such a durable vehicle is a great way to put him on the defensive. As mentioned above the flamers on them are amazing, so if you can find points to put them in I'd recommend it, but they aren't a necessity.

the farseer is a little worrysome because he's either going to be in the face of danger (scorpions/wraithguard in the enemy's face) or in a squishier unit (avengers/guardians). In this case the laughing seer strategy might benefit you greatly in multiple ways. a - the mobility to always be in perfect position that a jetbike gives is awesome, b - he becomes a juicy target (but can also take a LOT of punishment, barring terrible rolls) taking fire away from the rest of your army, and c - he can be used to contest objectives turn 5, easily flying wherever he wants.


TL;DR:
Recommendations:
Remove warlock (unless you want to put him on a jetbike)
Swap banshees for scoprions with a claw exarch
Give serpent scatter lasers and holo fields

If possible:
mantle jetbike farseer
d-scythes on guard


Example:
Farseer
Spiritseer
5 Striking Scorpions
1 Striking Scorpion Exarch w/ Claw
5 Wraithguard
1 Wave Serpent - Scatter Lasers, Holo Fields
9 Dire Avengers
1 Dire Avenger Exarch - (just for the BS and precision shot)
10 Guardians - Bright Lance
Fire Prism - Holo Fields.

You could also skip the DA exarch and put a cannon on the Serpent. 3 re-rolling S6 shots in addition to all of it's other shooting is not bad - though its already a pretty big target, so might be a waste of points.

These are just suggestions, of course. its important to find your own style of play!