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Ok so after reading the FAQ and finding out that VS ignores cover I was wondering but does vs ignore jink since jink is a cover save?

Cheers to all comments

Uhm, the answer to your question is in your question.

As above, your own wording has the answer. Vector strikes ignore cover saves, jink is a cover save if the model moves.

Ok thanks I was only asking as my friend seems to think that I cant because Jink is an USR, is there anyway to explain to him that I can?

 happygolucky wrote:
Ok thanks I was only asking as my friend seems to think that I cant because Jink is an USR, is there anyway to explain to him that I can?

Jink is a USR that gives a cover save. Vector Striking is ignoring the cover save, not the USR

Ok thanks

Right.

I am just gonna say that I disagree, and that Jink doesn't fall into the correct category. At the point in time of the Vector Strike, there is no cover save, so there is nothing to be ignored.

Any damage then done has the 5+ to negate it.

I can see how the OP has formulated his viewpoint, but I disagree. I understand that Jink is a cover save, but the VS doesn't ignore rules. And as the 5+ is from a rule, rather that just being there, I don't think it is the same thing. Jink confers a 5+ cover, it is not a 5+ cover in itself, so it cant be ignored.

At least that's how I see it

 IHateNids wrote:
Jink confers a 5+ cover, it is not a 5+ cover in itself, so it cant be ignored.

Its not ignoring Jink, it's ignoring the cover save it confers.
Are you seriously suggesting no Special Rule can be countered by another Special Rule?

No, Im suggesting that as an entirety, something conferred by a Rule, not there as standard, is not thje same as something there as standard, which is how Jink is different from say a Marine behind an ADL.

You get Jink vs the Baleflamer, which just says ignores cover. So why not the Vector Strike?

Cover saves may not be made against Vector Strike.

Page 43 – Special Rules, Vector Strike.
Change the second paragraph to read “When Swooping, this
model may savage its prey. At the end of the Movement Phase,
nominate one unengaged enemy unit the model has moved
over that turn. This unit may even be an enemy Flyer. That unit
takes D3+1 hits, resolved at the model’s unmodified Strength
and AP3, using Random Allocation. Against vehicles, these hits
are resolved against the target’s side armour. No cover saves are
allowed against these hits.”

Jink grants you a cover save. Vector strike ignores the cover save because it ignores all cover saves. You can still use armour/AV against it or Invulnerables. Jink confers a 5+ cover save, which is exactly the same thing as having a 5+ cover save This cover save applies as long as you moved.

If you're going to argue that conferring a 5+ cover save isn't the same as being 5+ cover i will claim that my KFF's work against flamers (which ignore all cover saves too, including Jink).

I suppose you could argue some convoluted Raw-pretzel, but the FAQ seems pretty clear to me.

 IHateNids wrote:
No, Im suggesting that as an entirety, something conferred by a Rule, not there as standard, is not thje same as something there as standard, which is how Jink is different from say a Marine behind an ADL.

You get Jink vs the Baleflamer, which just says ignores cover. So why not the Vector Strike?

You don't get Jink vs Baleflamers. Just like you don't get Jink vs any template weapons, Impaler Cannons, Astral Aim, anything with the Ignore Cover USR...

 IHateNids wrote:
No, Im suggesting that as an entirety, something conferred by a Rule, not there as standard, is not thje same as something there as standard, which is how Jink is different from say a Marine behind an ADL.

You get Jink vs the Baleflamer, which just says ignores cover. So why not the Vector Strike?

Um, you don't get jink vs the Baleflamer. Jink is a cover save, which it ignores. Unless you have something saying otherwise?

 IHateNids wrote:
You get Jink vs the Baleflamer, which just says ignores cover. So why not the Vector Strike?

What makes you think you can get a Jink against a Baleflamer?

Then you are wrong. Jink provides you with a cover save for moving. You have this cover save from the moment you move in your movement phase. Between your oponnent moving at the start of his movement phase to the end of his movement phase where vector strike is resolved, you cannot move thus you do not magically get a cover save in between these two actions. The universal special rule activates the moment YOU move in your movement phase and lasts until your next movement phase.

Jink does not provide you with a save that works exactly like a cover save but is not one. It gives you a cover save. Tau Marker lights may strip a jink save, Template weapons may ignore a jink save and certain special weapons that ignore cover saves all ignore jink saves. There is nothing in the rules to allow your standpoint to be true.

I play eldar, I wish i could use your logic, but then I wouldn't be able to use holo fields, which improve cover saves by +1 on my grav tanks anymore. Or give my Farseer with the mantle of the laughing god a 2+ rerollable jink save. while you are right that the vector strike (or baleflamer) does not take away the jink special rule. The effect of the Jink special rule is to bestow a cover save in an alternate way then by simply beeing obscured. You are beeing denied your right to take a cover save.

By your logic, an Ap1 weapon would not dissallow a space marine chapter master in artificer armor his 2+ armor save because AP1 weapons do not turn of his wargear either it just ignores his armor save.

Ignoring cover saves does not care how or what is giving the cover save.

It simply means that the wounds can not be saved with a cover save.

VS ignores cover saves. You can not use any cover save.

 IHateNids wrote:
You get Jink vs the Baleflamer, which just says ignores cover. So why not the Vector Strike?

You don't get Jink vs the Baleflamer.
Just like you don't get Jink vs a Vector Strike.

NickOnwezen wrote:
Then you are wrong. Jink provides you with a cover save for moving. You have this cover save from the moment you move in your movement phase. Between your oponnent moving at the start of his movement phase to the end of his movement phase where vector strike is resolved, you cannot move thus you do not magically get a cover save in between these two actions. The universal special rule activates the moment YOU move in your movement phase and lasts until your next movement phase.

Jink does not provide you with a save that works exactly like a cover save but is not one. It gives you a cover save. Tau Marker lights may strip a jink save, Template weapons may ignore a jink save and certain special weapons that ignore cover saves all ignore jink saves. There is nothing in the rules to allow your standpoint to be true.

I play eldar, I wish i could use your logic, but then I wouldn't be able to use holo fields, which improve cover saves by +1 on my grav tanks anymore. Or give my Farseer with the mantle of the laughing god a 2+ rerollable jink save. while you are right that the vector strike (or baleflamer) does not take away the jink special rule. The effect of the Jink special rule is to bestow a cover save in an alternate way then by simply beeing obscured. You are beeing denied your right to take a cover save.

By your logic, an Ap1 weapon would not dissallow a space marine chapter master in artificer armor his 2+ armor save because AP1 weapons do not turn of his wargear either it just ignores his armor save.

Sad face. :(

 IHateNids wrote:
No, Im suggesting that as an entirety, something conferred by a Rule, not there as standard, is not thje same as something there as standard, which is how Jink is different from say a Marine behind an ADL.

Huh? You do realize that all cover saves are conferred by the rules in some way? CS for terrain is in the Shooting rules, smoke launchers in the Vehicle rules and so on. The ADL grants a CS because the rules for it says so. If something ignores cover saves it doesn't ask what gave you a cover save to begin with, just as a weapon that ignores armor or invulnerable saves doesn't ask where you got them.

 IHateNids wrote:
No, Im suggesting that as an entirety, something conferred by a Rule, not there as standard, is not thje same as something there as standard, which is how Jink is different from say a Marine behind an ADL.

You get Jink vs the Baleflamer, which just says ignores cover. So why not the Vector Strike?

Jink is a cover save, as long as you have the special rule and have moved, then you get it anywhere. It is however, as many people have said already, just a cover save.
This means it follows all the normal rules for cover saves, no exceptions.
Templates, vector strikes and many other attacks ignore cover......I hope you can see where this is going.

More than enough people have given you the right answer already. At this point you must either be trolling or in denial over the truth.

Another example. Eternal Warrior allows you to ignore the effects of Instant Death. But hold on... Instant Death is never automatic! It's granted by extension of either being double Strength compared to Toughness, or from specific pieces of wargear, and Eternal Warrior doesn't specify either. By your logic Eternal Warrior does absolutely nothing.

Ok, point conceded. And to be honest, Ive neven understood eternal warrior, although it is a different arguement.

I dont care how long Abaddons been kicking around, he doesnt take a Railgun to the face and keep running

Actually you do when Chaos gods have special plans for you.
At that point "reality" becomes subjective and frankly pointless.

Plus its the only way he can survive all those failed crusades, being unkillable...