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Hey folks. I haven't even seen the new dex (closest is 80 miles away) and I'm super curious about Vulkan. I heard he TLs MMs and then you can master craft all character's weapons in the detachment additionally? Could someone sate my curiosity? Please please please.

Chapter Tactics: Salamanders TL's all flame weapons except the redeemer, and they can reroll armor saves against flame weapons.

Vulkan makes all melta weaponry bar bombs master crafted, and characters can MC one weapon of their choice.

Correction:

Salamanders Chapter Tactics-
1) TL all Flame weapons (as defined in the list in the 40k BRB, to include the Redeemer's Flamestorm Canons).
2) Reroll their own failed saves vs those weapons.
3) Each character (Sergeants, Champions, HQ Leaders, etc) can master craft any one weapon they have.

Vulkan- All Meltas, Combi-meltas, and Multi-Meltas are master crafted.

Yippee! That's a buff after all! This is actually a YMDC question.... Can you master craft blast weapons. I already guessed you can't MC a TFC.... Right <still hopeful>?

yes that is correct

The techmarin can MC any of his weapons though, as in the plasma cutter, flamer, sero arms, bolt pistols, chainsword, etc.

BronzeJon wrote:
The techmarin can MC any of his weapons though, as in the plasma cutter, flamer, sero arms, bolt pistols, chainsword, etc.

This doesn't work on the Techmarine on the Thunderfire cannon does it? The unit entry doesn't have him as a character when he's taken with the TFC. Simply says that the Techmarine is "Unit Type: Artillary".

Arkios wrote:
1) TL all Flame weapons (as defined in the list in the 40k BRB, to include the Redeemer's Flamestorm Canons).

"All models benefit from the appropriate Chapter Tactics for their detachment's Chapter, providing they have the Chapter Tactics special rule."
So Redeemers don't have TL-Flamestorm Cannons.

Kangodo wrote:

Arkios wrote:
1) TL all Flame weapons (as defined in the list in the 40k BRB, to include the Redeemer's Flamestorm Canons).

"All models benefit from the appropriate Chapter Tactics for their detachment's Chapter, providing they have the Chapter Tactics special rule."
So Redeemers don't have TL-Flamestorm Cannons.

Yeah, I danced a jig when I first saw the Chapter Tactic rumors....that enthusiasm quickly died when I realized that vehicles can't benefit from Chapter tactics, so now, we actually got NERFED slightly in that department. No more TL vehicle mounted heavy flamers......

Nono, you are buffed.

Vulcan can now mastercraft his own Bolt Pistol!

There are so many people that think Vulkan's special rule gives TL to meltas. It's Mastercrafted. The more people start reading this rule the better off people (Sallies players) are going to be.

People keep saying MM are just as good on a drop. In reality, you don't need 6 with a reroll, you need a 6, then if you roll a 1, you get another chance for a 6. It's not nearly as good as TL, as 2-5 you simply miss with your MM the turn it drops in.

As for the CT, vehicles are models. They get TL flamers, Dreads and LRR. They said all flame-based weapons in the BRB, this included the flamers on LRR. Dreadnoughts are models, LRR are models, and Speeders are models.

I reread the vehicle entries and it refers to vehicles as models several times. They call them "vehicle models". Maybe I'm reading into the rules too much, but it seems fair and acceptable for vehicles to get TL flamers.

But once again, all those meltas on vehicles, or normal infantry, only get Mastecrafted, NOT TL'd.

If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, but I feel like a lot of people do not notice this nerf to Vulkan's rule.

Imo, I may not even add Vulkan. I'm starting to think the Chapter Master with 2 relics with 9 Sternguard might be the next best thing. You put him in the front and tank as many shots are you can to keep the Sternguard alive as long as possible. As for all your Sergeants, Sternguard's and Tactical's, you give them Combi melta's and make that weapon Mastercrafted. This saves you from buying Vulkan and still get MC'd.

I know it's a lot less meltas then you'd normally bring in a Sallies list, but I might just combat squad the Sergeant and MM in a 5-man and the flamer in the other. The MM getting rerolls on a 1 is brutal. Vulkan doesn't give TL anymore, only MC.

Cheers.

Saythings wrote:
There are so many people that think Vulkan's special rule gives TL to meltas. It's Mastercrafted. The more people start reading this rule the better off people (Sallies players) are going to be.

People keep saying MM are just as good on a drop. In reality, you don't need 6 with a reroll, you need a 6, then if you roll a 1, you get another chance for a 6. It's not nearly as good as TL, as 2-5 you simply miss with your MM the turn it drops in.

Take your own advice.

Mastercrafted is one reroll to hit per round per weapon. One reroll per turn on a weapon with a ROF of 1 is functionally the same as twin linked.

Saythings wrote:
There are so many people that think Vulkan's special rule gives TL to meltas. It's Mastercrafted. The more people start reading this rule the better off people (Sallies players) are going to be.

People keep saying MM are just as good on a drop. In reality, you don't need 6 with a reroll, you need a 6, then if you roll a 1, you get another chance for a 6. It's not nearly as good as TL, as 2-5 you simply miss with your MM the turn it drops in.

As for the CT, vehicles are models. They get TL flamers, Dreads and LRR. They said all flame-based weapons in the BRB, this included the flamers on LRR. Dreadnoughts are models, LRR are models, and Speeders are models.

I reread the vehicle entries and it refers to vehicles as models several times. They call them "vehicle models". Maybe I'm reading into the rules too much, but it seems fair and acceptable for vehicles to get TL flamers.

But once again, all those meltas on vehicles, or normal infantry, only get Mastecrafted, NOT TL'd.

If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, but I feel like a lot of people do not notice this nerf to Vulkan's rule.

Imo, I may not even add Vulkan. I'm starting to think the Chapter Master with 2 relics with 9 Sternguard might be the next best thing. You put him in the front and tank as many shots are you can to keep the Sternguard alive as long as possible. As for all your Sergeants, Sternguard's and Tactical's, you give them Combi melta's and make that weapon Mastercrafted. This saves you from buying Vulkan and still get MC'd.

I know it's a lot less meltas then you'd normally bring in a Sallies list, but I might just combat squad the Sergeant and MM in a 5-man and the flamer in the other. The MM getting rerolls on a 1 is brutal. Vulkan doesn't give TL anymore, only MC.

Cheers.

What?

You need to re-read the rules AND need to look at what models receive Chapter Tactics (hint: Vehicles are not models that have Chapter Tactics listed).

Secondly, Master Crafted and Twin Linked are no different in how they currently effect MELTA weapons under Vulkans bonus. Since Melta weapons all only have 1 shot, it becomes irrelevant -- you aren't only re-rolling on a 1. You are re-rolling any ONE MISSED shot, not re-rolling to hit rolls of one. So it effectively gives you twin linked because you are always re-rolling the shot if you miss.

In the unlikely event that a melta weapon with more than 1 shot exists in the future, Vulkan will allow only 1 reroll instead of all shots to be rerolled.

Its hypothetical, but an important distinction because Master Crafted exists on other weapons in other codices. So people shouldn't be equating MC = Twin-linked.

Overlooked the MC, apologies! For some reason I got it in my head that MC was reroll 1's. I stated in the post that I could have been wrong! teehee.

Alas, I still believe that vehicles are models. The CT doesn't limit it to infantry. The BRB calls vehicles - "vehicle models". I don't see why a LR is not a model, or speeder, etc. Maybe I need to reread that as well!

Apologies around!

Vehicles are models, but they don't have the Chapter Tactics rule which lets them benefit.

Gotcha. All makes sense now. I wonder if that will get FAQ'd. I didn't think Heavy Flamers on Dreads and Speeders was that much of a buff.

So basically you're picking Legions or Stern for your Heavy Flamers... and I'd pick Stern anyday.

Drop pod lists are strictly Tac and Stern squads it would seem. Sigh.

Saythings wrote:
Gotcha. All makes sense now. I wonder if that will get FAQ'd. I didn't think Heavy Flamers on Dreads and Speeders was that much of a buff.

So basically you're picking Legions or Stern for your Heavy Flamers... and I'd pick Stern anyday.

Drop pod lists are strictly Tac and Stern squads it would seem. Sigh.

5 man assault squad with 2 flamers in a pod is only 95 points.

A command squad would be another option loaded with flamers.