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No chance.
They were already too expensive and it really show with the new C:SM-release.

they aren't scoring (unless you own IA9/10)

It's actually IA8.
And I'm glad my friends allow it when I print out the page itself.

We have a name for that in MTG: http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Rogue_deck

But, but, but..
They lost Deep Strike with Skies of Fire (or whatever that thing is named).
They even put that in a FAQ.

They were OP in our last battle because I got to Deep Strike 4000 points of BA in the first turn without scattering, while they couldn't harm me since most of their shooting were Large Blasts and Lasguns
And Apocalypse is so big that the overcosted stuff doesn't matter that much.

What I want from BA is a niche.
Something that they are better at than any other Chapter.
Because right now I am having tons of ideas and tactics for friendly games, but it saddens me when I realize that for every tactic I pick there is a Chapter who is better at it.

Good luck on that, our Apocalypse took 3 turns and we already 'won' after T2.
It's very hard to choose between: Charging after DS and no-scatter with DS.
It would be so perfect if we could take both of them

Where do I find the Achilles-rules?
They should make a big 'content' list where every model lists the latest rules-update.

Do you see any of the current lists running VV's?
We are the only Marines left that can charge after Deep Strike, that makes them special.
Too bad that they are overpriced and in a weak codex.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
I wouldn't count on it. If BA get them then DA get shafted. In fact I'd prefer if they just stayed as a C:SM-only thing to keep their own flavour. Of course, BA should get something else to compensate (like how DA get plasma talons, rad grenade launchers, etc).

Maybe cheaper hand-flamers and melta-pistols with bigger range?

Well don't forget that Furiosos are AV13 on the front... still bad, but worth remembering.

The only thing I REALLY want is them to have melta-immunity or something.
It's not fun to have almost every charge fail because you have to get in melta-range first and then survive overwatch.

The latest rules are in Imperial Armour Apocalypse 2nd Ed. I believe... and they're freaking glorious. I plan on buying one very soon for my Space Wolves.

Thank you, I will obtain those rules

Edit: Ooh dear Lord, that thing is awesome.

My Blood Angels are mostly black with red and white accents.

Effective: Yes.
The effectiveness you expect from something that is almost 900 points? Noooo way

I love Fragnaughts
My favourite thing is to give them the melta-arm with a Magna-grapple.
Droppod them on T1 and unleash hell.

That list would need at least 2.5k points or something

Martel, at what level do you actually play?
Do you want to be competitive on tournaments or just 'beer and pretzels'-games?

The Ravenguard tactics, combined with the overall point reduction, is really worth the loss of the priests and divination in my opinion.
Their HQ's are also a dozen times better than our own and with FW we can still have our troop-ASM.

The only thing I miss is Furioso-dreads (with Fragcannons) and I do miss the (bad) characters.

I also think you could do with one additional pod, so you're sure to get two dreads on T1

That list three gave me a great idea: Infiltrating Shrike with 20 DC.. But then I realised that would be 35 points per model :(
Maybe I'll try to do it with Sanguinary Guard one day!
He also gives the group Stealth, so infiltrating them into ruins would give them at least a 3++ for the first turn.