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Hi I have taken a slightly different approach in designing my Blood Angels army, yes atm I am designing blood angels not codex space marines.
The idea is to create a more shooty list with some weaponary a little longer that 12 inches while keeping with the fluff of the Blood Angels...

155 - Reclusiarch JP
240 - Assault Squad (10) 2x Meltagun, Power Fist, Meltabombs

250 - Tactical Squad (10) Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Rhino (hunter-killer missile and dozer blade) or Extra Armour?
250 - Tactical Squad (10) Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Rhino (hunter-killer missile and dozer blade) or Extra Armour?

100 - Scout Squad (5) 4x Sniper, Missile Launcher, 5x Camo Cloaks

Not sure on the meltaguns for the tactical squad being 12 inches and the rest of their guns 24 inches... maybe plasma guns?
The scout squad can hold back field objectives, tactical's mid field objectives and the assault squad distant objectives...

So what do you think? To me it seems kind of solid, although I am a bit wary of putting 20 marines in two (weak) rhino's... is this an issue and is there another way? - Thanks

Dump reclsiarch. Get a libby with shield of sanguinius. You need a force multiplier, not more choppa. Wait. Single ASM? Maybe divination, then.

Ok, can you expand on divination please?

Well, for a single ASM squad, divination is more powerful than codex powers. If you roll the 4++ save, you are boss. Prescience makes them do 50% more damage in many circumstances.

Hmm, sounds good...


How about:

128 - Librarian (Divination) Storm Bolter
240 - Assault Squad (10) 2x Meltagun, Power Fist, Meltabombs

250 - Tactical Squad (10) Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Rhino (hunter-killer missile and dozer blade) or Extra Armour?
250 - Tactical Squad (10) Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Rhino (hunter-killer missile and dozer blade) or Extra Armour?

132 - Scouts (7) 6x Sniper, Missile Launcher, 7x Camo Cloaks

Should I have extra armour or hk and dozer blade???

The Hunter-killer and dozer blade make more sense

Ok thanks, can you use the hk after moving? (are you allowed to tell me this?)

So the latest list looks better? Any more suggestions?

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you should be able to Fire it either way extra armour just isn't worth it.
Maybe take a second pintle mounted SB i know you can fire all defencsive weapons after moving but you may only to be able to fire the hunter killer if you move 6"

Ok thanks, is it worth taking 20 points out of something else for an extra SB on each rhino??? What would you take out?

I just rebuilt your list in army builder and here is how it came out



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----HQ---------
Librarian-128
Jump Pack
Storm Bolter

----Troops----
Assault Squad - 240
9 x Marines, Melta Gun, Melta Gun
SGT - Powerfirst Melta Bomb

Scout Squad - 132 pts
5 x sniper Rifles, Missle Launcher
SGT - Sniper Rifle

Tactical Squad - 250 PTs
9 x Marines, Melta Gun, Multi Melta
SGT - NO SPECIAL GEAR
Rhino- DOZER BLADE, HUNTER KILLER, Pintle Mounted Storm Bolter

Tactical Squad - 250 PTs
9 x Marines, Melta Gun, Multi Melta
SGT - NO SPECIAL GEAR
Rhino- DOZER BLADE, HUNTER KILLER, Pintle Mounted Storm Bolter


i think my battle scry is messed up on points cost because its saying that the multi meltas are free.
if your going to take a second pintle SB you might as well drop the two hunter killers so you get up to the enemy faster.

Yep Ok thanks for your help, i'll drop the hk for the second stormbolters.

I think the points are a fit varied, the 5 man scout squad at 132 points should be 7 man (5 man is 100)

Anyway for a rough idea it looks good, thanks

What is the survivability of the rhinos?

Mephiston33 wrote:
Yep Ok thanks for your help, i'll drop the hk for the second stormbolters.

I think the points are a fit varied, the 5 man scout squad at 132 points should be 7 man (5 man is 100)
5 man with cammo cloaks is 90, i know that for sure

Anyway for a rough idea it looks good, thanks

What is the survivability of the rhinos?
not very but better than walking them, maybe drop pods?

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the Scouts i Built into yours is a 7 man scout squad
1 of them is a SGT w/sniper
5 more have Sniper
1 has Missle

so really it looks like this

SCOUT SQUAD
6 x Sniper, Missle Launcher, Cammo Cloaks


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i Split them up because the SGT has a different stat line.

Ahh right now it all makes sense

Thanks all your input, drop pods is an option I'll consider them too

with the drop pods you will have some more points... but one of the squads won't come in until turn 2 at the earliest

Off the top of my head...

125 - Libby
240 - Assault Squad

210 - Tac + DP
210 - Tac + DP
210 - Tac + DP

Losing scouts but gaining an extra 10 men meltagun, multimelta, landing anywhere on the board, only issue is reserve rolls and they can be rerolld from descent of angels...

Oh and the assault squad would be lagging behind...?


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Hope those points are right

If you Change your list to drop pods and reduce the scouts you can make a list like this

----HQ----
Librarian --- 128
Jump Pack
Storm bolter

Assualt Squad --240
9 x marines, 1 SGT
Melta Gun, Melta Gun, Jump Packs
SGT- Jump Pack, PowerFist, Bolt PIstol, Melta Bomb

Scout Squad -- 100
4 x Scouts, 1 SGT
3 x sniper Rifle, 1 Missle Launcher, Cammo Cloak
SGT- Sniper Rifle, Cammo Cloak

Scout Squad -- 100
4 x Scouts, 1 SGT
3 x sniper Rifle, 1 Missle Launcher, Cammo Cloak
SGT- Sniper Rifle, Cammo Cloak

Tactical Squad -- 210
9 x Marines
Melta Gun, Multi Melta
SGT - No Special Gear
Drop pod W/Storm Bolter

Tactical Squad -- 210
9 x Marines
Melta Gun, Multi Melta
SGT - No Special Gear
Drop pod W/Storm Bolter

This leaves you 12 points to play with (just give the libby a plasma pistol or something)


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Decent of angels only works when you are deepstrikeing with Jump Packs. if you jump them and run them you should be fine

The way i built the list alows you to deep strike your assualt squad.


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the way yours is built two of them can come in turn one
but your assualt squad has to be on the field

Yeah, both ways seem to be not specialising to make full use of the units, ie the assault squad having to run and the drop pod assault not being used effectively... Not sure how to get around that without losing the jump packs and the Libby (i think) for another DP.

So just getting thoughts to paper:
For DP assault three (let's say three) DP's are needed for it to be effective (and to stop all enemy guns on one target)
Only allowing 10 models, special characters (libby) can not DP even if the assault squad lost its jump packs for a DP
So we are looking for a smaller unit than 10 so that the hq can also DP. However this unit cannot be too expensive as the reserve rolls may delay it and Therefore if that's the case the unit must not be relied upon, so a scoring unit for late capture/contest would be suggested (I believe)
Now I am not sure where that leaves the assault squad, they seem out of place in this speculative DP list.
Each unit has about 225 points each max. The Libby is 100 points. If the DP tacs are 210 each then that's 420 + 100 (Libby) = 520. Another unknown unit in a drop pod (could be another Tac) brings it up to 210 + 520 = 730. This leaves 270 points for another unit. This could be a slightly more expensive unit DP'ing.

This does specialise which i believe would make a stronger list.

I haven't run it by points but I think another option is, 9 man death company with chaplain in a land raider supported by two assault squads flanking it.

So after that long speal, did you make sense of it? Am I correct in ways? What are your suggestions?
Thanks


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Or another option, pity about having to take an HQ though:

160 - Librarian (Wings and Shield?) Terminator Armour - Drop Pod

210 - Tactical Squad (10) Meltagun, Multi-Melta - Drop Pod

210 - Tactical Squad (10) Meltagun, Multi-Melta - Drop Pod

210 - Tactical Squad (10) Meltagun, Multi-Melta - Drop Pod

210 - Tactical Squad (10) Meltagun, Multi-Melta - Drop Pod

Only issue is that the Librarian is coming in by itself, but that means 3 drop pods come in first turn... for the greater good.... :p

Crazy but it could work......?

honestly at this point list you should just run a sterngaurd veteran squad or two with combi weapons then toss two cheep troops in a drop pod. list to follow



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---HQ---
LIBBY
bolt pistol

----Elites----
Sterngaurd Veterans ---310(this may be wrong so check the list yourself
9x marines
4 x combi melta, 5x combi flamer
SGT - Combi-Melta
Drop Pod w/storm bolter

Sterngaurd Veterans ---310(this may be wrong so check the list yourself
9x marines
4 x combi melta, 5x combi flamer
SGT - Combi-Melta
Drop Pod w/storm bolter

----Troops----
Assualt Squad --- 100
4 x marines
SGT- bolt pistol, chain sword
Drop Pod w/storm bolter

Assualt Squad --- 100
4 x marines
SGT- bolt pistol, chain sword
Drop Pod w/storm bolter


This only shows up as 920 points on my battle Scry (i have been told the points are off). The sternguard come in first turn Alpha Strike then lay down fire. They have mixed weapons so you can Combat squad them upon exit from drop pods, make sure you do combat squad or your wasting firepower when they come in. the two assualt squads come in at later turns(one of them carries the libby) and cleans up/ caps objectives.

After you calculate the points total add or subtract items as neccessary.

Hmm Ok.... thanks for the ideas on the drop pod army.

I've been thinking, would stormravens be a good way to transport the troops?

Then I think assault squads on the ground would work well in conjunction.
This is a bit over the 1000 points in the forum title, it's what I came up with for an army:

100 - Librarian (goes with a stormraven)

235 - Assault Squad

235 - Assault Squad

235 - Assault Squad

175 - Tactical Squad
230 - Stormraven

175 - Tactical Squad
230 - Stormraven

175 - Tactical Squad
230 - Stormraven

How soon would the storm ravens be able to get on the table?

not really. you have to realize that its random.

in 5th edition this worked out great.
load up a squad and a dread on them fly them accross the board turn 1 and multi melta their tanks then on turn two you drop the squads and dread before flying off. Now not so much. going to be turn 3 before you can really make use of anything loaded up on them. only reason i load something up on them now is to keep them from starting on the board. they do cause some havoc though and will take out enemy fliers.

Ok, well thanks for all your help, I'll have a think about all these ideas and post a new list on the forums - Thanks

hehe no problems, the one thing i know for sure is how to run blood angels.

From the lists presented here your best bet is the drop pod army.

Biggest thing is play test before you invest in the models(im sure your local store won't mind you proxying to playtest) so you can find what works best for you.

Can't wait to see your next list cause i love me some blood angels.

Haha, thanks yeah we'll see about the next list, could be really similar or completely different