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I just noticed something watching a battle report and realized it has happened to me on MULTIPLE occasions..

What do you do when you are playing a game and you FORGOT to roll for your reserves all together, usually its understood that you missed your chance and to roll for it next turn.

Right?

What does this mean for the people that WANT to save their reserves until the last possible moment to prevent them from dying or to get the air advantage. "oops I forgot"

What is the actual rule?

There is no rule covering what should happen if you forget a compulsory action.

Most players just count it as lost and move on... But as you say, there are situations where it is actually to the player's advantage to 'forget' his reserves roll.

Around here, we generally go back and do it at the point we remember it, unless doing so would mess with the ongoing game too badly.

For tournament play, I would like to see a rule that says that if a player forgets to make their reserve roll, all of their reserves are lost. Harsh, but would definitely discourage 'tactical' memory loss.

One of the things you can do is remind your opponent about mandatory rolls beforehand. Of course this is a double edged sword as some players actually want reserves and do forget, so reminding them would in a way be penalizing yourself.

Personally, I'd prefer to play with the idea that mandatory things should happen, so I will gladly remind my opponent even if that means I would suffer for it. What I wouldn't do is remind players only when its to my benefit and keep quiet when its not.

In the chance we do forget, we play it much the same as Insaniak. Go back and do it if its possible, otherwise count it as a lost opportunity.

Lehnsherr wrote:

Personally, I'd prefer to play with the idea that mandatory things should happen, so I will gladly remind my opponent even if that means I would suffer for it.

I agree with this attitude. I frequently grimace as I remind my opponent of things like this....but I always do it. It's fun to play against better players, and if they don't realise what they're doing wrong, they'll never improve their game.

The one that usually gets me is Tzeentch's Warpflame rule. I sometimes forget to make my opponent take the Tough test until the next phase, or even the next turn! When I realise my error, I inform my opponent, tell him the risks v. rewards, and leave the choice up to him. Marines and MCs usually choose to risk it. It worked fabulously in my favour once: a Tervigon rolled a 6 for the test, and the resulting two wounds finished him off! But usually they just gain FNP.

If its during that same turns movement phase I'd let it go and check as normal just keeping in mind where units were before they were moved.

I'm also fine with reserves coming in during the assault phase(at the end) if someone forgot during movement. A good drawback for having forgotten though is don't revisit the any phase for them(no shooting, Vector strikes, etc). Basicaly, treat it like they came in and you chose to do nothing with them

If its already the opponents turn or later before you realize you forgot I'd say a check to see if they would have come in should be made right then and there and if they indeed should have come in treat it as a DS mishap, no matter the normal means of entry and roll on the chart.

This seems like proper punishment for forgetting and encourages people (like me) not to do so.

Lehnsherr wrote:
One of the things you can do is remind your opponent about mandatory rolls beforehand. Of course this is a double edged sword as some players actually want reserves and do forget, so reminding them would in a way be penalizing yourself.

It is really not penalizing yourself to remind your opponent about compulsory rules.

It ensures that you and your opponent are not cheating.

Maybe penalizing was the wrong word... I think you understand what I meant to say though.

It would be disingenuous of someone to remind an opponent to roll reserves when it would benefit themselves and to not remind that opponent to roll when it would benefit the opponent.

I'm for the opinion that if you miss something mandatory but catch it early enough you should rewind and do it, it is mandatory after all.

This is all hypothetically the turn after it was supposed to happen, thats usually when you realize you fethed up.

If BOTH players forget then there is nothing you can do. If you think your opponent wants to intentional forget just remind him/her to roll for reserves. They can't claim to have forgotten now. If you are intentionally forgetting, 1st shame one you, 2nd your oppanant might not and may ask you tol roll so don't count on it.

Lehnsherr wrote:
Maybe penalizing was the wrong word... I think you understand what I meant to say though.

It would be disingenuous of someone to remind an opponent to roll reserves when it would benefit themselves and to not remind that opponent to roll when it would benefit the opponent.

I call this sort of behavior "soft cheating."

Does anyone know a Tournament judge that would give their 2 cents on a ruling that they would hand down in a situation like this?

It depends on the situation. If its obvious he was trying to keep them off, he gets a talking to and they come on. If he just forgot and wants them on, they stay off.