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Hi all,

Lets assume: a squad of Grey Hunters shoots 2 meltas at a Chimera with 10 guardsmen inside. The chimera explodes and the guard is out on the table. Can I assault them in my assault phase.
Can i do it with the unit that did open the vehicle , or with any other unit?

I believe the rule is if the unit you shot at is completely wrecked/gone/done/dead, you can then assault a different unit. However, this is second hand and I cannot confirm nor offer source quotes to validate.

Ok, but what about a unit, that destroyed a transport. Can they assault the unit that was in the transport?

gausus wrote:
Ok, but what about a unit, that destroyed a transport. Can they assault the unit that was in the transport?

Yes they can

I can't find it in the rulebook. On the other hand - i can't find a rule that says it is forbidden.

its in the rule book mate.

I know. I just had a discussion during the game play. My oponent said, that there isnt a rule that allows it. So i am unable to do so.

I believe the rule is if the unit you shot at is completely wrecked/gone/done/dead, you can then assault a different unit. However, this is second hand and I cannot confirm nor offer source quotes to validate.

This is incorrect. You are only allowed to assault the unit you shot at. The bottom of page 20 tells you that you can only assault the unit you shot at during the shooting phase.

Page 80 last paragraph under Transports and Assaults tells you that you can assault the unit inside.

Great. So that is settled. Thanks a lot.

Any unit that shot at the transport can assault the disembarked unit.
It isn't limited to the unit that destroys the transport.

As all models in a single unit fire simultaneously, a squad cannot wreck a Transport and then fire at its occupants. However, if a Transport is destroyed by shooting attack, any unit that shot it that turn can, if allowed, charge the now disembarked passengers.

Page 80.

For completion's sake, you can still assault something that isn't part of the same FOC too.
Example
CSM (Troops) riding around in a Landraider (Heavy Support).

 insaniak wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Any unit that shot at the transport can assault the disembarked unit.
It isn't limited to the unit that destroys the transport.

This is incorrect.

The rule deals with one unit only. If you destroy a transport, the unit that shot it can assault the passengers. In that context, 'the unit' its the unit that fired the shot that destroyed the transport, not any unit that ever fired at the transport.

I'm sorry, but what?
the rule says it precisely saying any unit that shot the transport will be able to charge the content ,if able to.
Edit: Erm? HAve I dreamed of insaniak's post? I could quote him but I can't see it anymore ....

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Any unit that shot at the transport can assault the disembarked unit.
It isn't limited to the unit that destroys the transport.

This is incorrect.

The rule deals with one unit only. If you destroy a transport, the unit that shot it can assault the passengers. In that context, 'the unit' its the unit that fired the shot that destroyed the transport, not any unit that ever fired at the transport.

I'm sorry, but what?
the rule says it precisely saying any unit that shot the transport will be able to charge the content ,if able to.
Edit: Erm? HAve I dreamed of insaniak's post? I could quote him but I can't see it anymore ....

Where did you get that quote? I didn't see Insaniak post.

I have no idea ...
Am I going slightly mad?
It finally happened ...

To fast for me first thing in the morning... : D

I deleted my post after I checked the actual rule. Turns out this is another change from 5th edition that I had never picked up on. Wasn't expecting anyone to have responded to it yet.

 insaniak wrote:
To fast for me first thing in the morning... : D

I deleted my post after I checked the actual rule. Turns out this is another change from 5th edition that I had never picked up on. Want expecting anyone to have responded to it yet.

YAY my sanity survived being questionned ... this time ...

A quick summary in order, then, I think? Because this thread looked confusing and I know this part of the rules backwards.

1) Bottom of page 20 - if you shot at a particular unit, you're only allowed to charge that unit in that turn.
2) Page 80, last line of the first half - you're given this one single exception to point 1, that you can charge a transport's occupants if you destroyed the transport by shooting.
3) If a transport is destroyed, any *other* units you have can shoot at the unit inside if they haven't fired already and meet all the usual criteria (range, line of sight etc).
4) Any other units may assault that unit, *IF* they didn't fire at a different unit - they still have to obey point 1, unless they fired at the transport.

Er... Your number 3 is incorrect. There is no permission to fire at a transport once it has been destroyed. Nor would there be any point in doing so, since once the transport has been destroyed and the passengers have bailed out, other units can just shoot them instead...

I think he meant the unit that popped out can be shot at.

I did indeed. Apologies for the confusion, I've gone back and edited.

So, to answer the OP with one word.... YES.