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so im getting ready for a campaign and i just showed my buddy my list...and he is crying cheese in it...i don't think its cheesy but i thought i would post it up here to see what dakka thought...any way to help my friend get his fear alleviated of this "supposed cheese"

HQ
Lord Commissar 85
Power Fist
Psyker Primaris 70

Elites
Marbo 65
Storm Troopers x5 115
Plasma x2
Storm Troopers x 5 115
Plasma x2

Troops
Veteran Squad x10 250
Harker, melta gun x3, demolitions, Chimera, Dozer Blade
Veteran Squad x10 210
Plasma x3 Grenediers, Chimera, Dozer Blade
Veteran Squad x10 200
Plasma x3, Grenadiers, Chimera
Veteran Squad x10 185
Melta Gun x3, Demolitions, Chimera
Veteran Squad x10 200
Plasma x3, Grenadiers, Chimera


Fast Attack
Hell Hound Squadron x2 265
Devil Dog, Heavy Flamer, Hellhound, multimelta
Hell Hound Squadron x2 265
Devil Dog, Heavy Flamer, Hellhound, multimelta
Sentinel Squadron x3 135
Scout Sentinel x3, Missile Launcher x3

Heavy Support
Leman Russ Squadron x2 330
Demolisher x2
Leman Russ Squadron 300
Leman Russ Battle Tank
Leman Russ Squadron x1 205
Vanquisher x1
Knight Commander Pask
Total 2995

That's not too cheesy, I beat a list similar to this on a 2K point scale with Noise Marines, drakes and laspreds...

He ran Yarrick, though, and my cultist champion beat him in CC and turned into a demon prince that proceeded to flip over a squad of lemans...so that bulldookery helped alot


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Then again, he also had 2 demolishers put 192 rounds over three rounds onto my noiseboys holding an objective and only 5 dropped, so when you get lucky like that, it always helps

Not really cheesy IMO

Primaris doesn't really have a point to be in the mech list. Wasted points unless you really want him.

Stormtroopers should be given meltas if your running squads of 5. DS them near enemy vehicles, and don't forget your other 3 dudes have krak grenades they can throw.

Don't bother with grenadier and Demo upgrades. While your in your Chimera you wont use them. Taking those expensive 30 pt upgrades off each squad, and maybe even harker will give you another Chimera Vet Squad.

If your forgoing Vendettas in your list, your opponent can't cry Cheese. The Vendetta is the only cheese IG have left in 6th ed aside from the Manticore. Don't squadron together your Devil Dogs and Hellhounds, they have different targeting priorities. If your taking both, keep DDs with DDs and HHs with HHs.

Give the Sentinels Lascannons and outflank them, you'll need the additional AT without Vendettas.

The Leman Russes look good aside from one thing, unless your opponent is playing Marines, don't take the LRBT. Instead, take LR: Exterminators with lascannon hull guns and either HB or MM sponsons. Gives you a decent multitool tank.

eh i really like the primaris so he is int he list honestly.

with him i was figuring book powers and watch him nuke stuff from med range.

yea int he campaign the organizer said no flyers so im forgoing them.

i will make sure to squadron them appropiately. the dd will go with the dd and such..

well thats the thing i know three of my oppenent armies...one is chaos marines (tzeentch) with deamon allies of the tzeentch flavor,
one is necrons
one is eldar with dark eldar allies
and the last one is the wild card he has like four or five armies to choose from so i dunno what he will field.

i figure the leman russes would be good...but i could take two eradicators instead with hb sponsons to toss more dakka.

opinions on the eradicator with hb sponson?

on harker though i like his rules and what not and i thought it would be good to add his dakka to the mix. will update list after we discuss the eradicator

multiple minimum sized units of plasma vets and plasma stormtroopers

I can see why he doesn't like this list. I believe this was called "Plasma Vet spam" and if its not competitive now, it was a little while back

Also if its a campaign, you really should take your opponents views in mind because your there purely to have fun. What is he running? I'd keep an eye on the Tzeench daemons as they have a really terrible deathstar at the moment and E+DE is supposedly pretty scary as well

yea i know about the screamer star, i dunno if he actually has all the models to run a true screamer star.
eldar/dark eldar combo either i think thats is a eldar foot and mech dark eldar thing. Well from my knowledge none of the other players have submitted lists to the organizer as of yet.

still worried about the random army player as like i said he has five to choose from:
Chaos Marines
Tau
Eldar
Space Wolves

the vets need some punch cuase ir eally dont think the flash lights will do enough damage the plasma will so will the meltas.

found out my buddy that cried cheese is still burned that his very first tourny game in fith was mech ig and he got the snot kicked outta him.

Frankly, once your tanks are done, you've got a lot of flashlights.

I run 21 lances in my eldar/dark eldar list, thats at 1850. If we nearly double that, you'll have a parking lot full of wrecks.

This is however a great list with the idea of redundancy. What will you do versus 6 ravagers, and six war walkers with two bright lances a piece?

hope and pray really hard or hopefully kills that before they kill me...

yea thats a lot of lances my parking lot fears for its life

not too sure if the eldar player will be taking ravagers but i know there will be three war walkers with scatter laser bright lance combo. i think they will be taking kabbys on foot in a ten man to get another lance though so thats four lances i know of off the top of my head that will be coming to hunt my mechanized company. If they dont take at least a ravager it i think they are not the brightest player.

ok so the leman russes are ok?? so the change of two eradicators is not needed?

At 3k points man you will need to prioritize targets.

Those russes are good, but is all of that ordinance going to matter at all? If you have large blocks of troops as targets they are great, but what if you don't?

Pm me with your meta (expected opponents) and your available models. I think with two force org charts that there are some better ways to put this together.

I dont find it cheasy either, no manticore, no AA.
Ok there are a few LRBT but thats it and its kind of normal to have tanks in IG...

I agree with Dakkamite. You sused to see a lot of IG running the vet/melta spam lists. Not considered Cheesy these days!

Siege40k wrote:
Frankly, once your tanks are done, you've got a lot of flashlights.

I run 21 lances in my eldar/dark eldar list, thats at 1850. If we nearly double that, you'll have a parking lot full of wrecks.

This is however a great list with the idea of redundancy. What will you do versus 6 ravagers, and six war walkers with two bright lances a piece?

Lances really aren't very good. You need ~10 to guarantee a kill (via hull points) against AV12, assuming that no cover is involved. Once cover is involved, you need ~14. That's not really all that scary to lose a couple of vehicles per turn, especially considering that IG's basic transports are firing 3 times as many shots and rolling for the same numbers to damage most of your vehicles, which are open topped.

Long story short, an IG player worth his salt should be routinely tabling DE armies simply because it's pretty much the best matchup he can ask for.

Rolling three time, I will hit twice with one ravager, then pen 1/2 of the time. If he gets cover he will ignore lets say 1/3 of those pens.

So here we go:
3 x 2/3= 2 x 1/2= 1 x 1/3 = .594 pens x 7 = 4 pens a turn. I'm not trying to glance things to death, I'm trying to pop them. This is assuming a cover save. If he doesn't have one, I get 7 pens a turn. Those pens wreck something on 4 or better since I have ap2. Which means, half my pens turn into wrecks.

If I go first, or have hot dice, his vehicles are in trouble.

I was just trying to put into perspective for OP that he has to be careful vs some lists and that at 3k points, lance spam, and melta spam will not be something to take lightly.

If i remember well, ap2 only has +1 so its a 5+ to wreck, so a third of your pens only.
So without cover 2 wrecks a turn (still not bad but i would be sceptif if he has no cover on his more usefull vehicles)...

You are right of course! I'm studying for my series 63, so I'm not all there!!