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my friend plays farsight bomb and thinks that he can beat any realistic list (that people would bring to a tournament) and i though he might struggle with swarm. Is this ork list something people would take and if not what would make it good for a really competitive ork list that would do well against his bomb.

big mek, kustom force field

big mek, shokk attack gun

10 lootas mek with big shoota

9 lootas mek with big shoota

7 nobs with shootas in battle wagon with zzap gun and 4 big shootas

10 ork boys all with shootas, with 1 big shoota and in trukk

3 X 20 ork boys all with shootas, with 2 big shootas and in battle wagon with zzap gun and 4 big shootas

3 dakka jets with additional twin linked supa shoota

so i figured giving all 4 battle wagons a 5+ cover is nice with that mek but the main thing i think it fails in is the anti av 13 and 14 so I added zzap guns instead of loba's but i know they aren't reliable or great. what do you guys think and how do you think it would fair.

I would get ride of the meks in the lootas squads with shootas!
And the zapgunz/a few big shootas on each bw for deffrolas!
Keep atleast 1 big shoota you need to avoid immobilized.
And all those guns on the bws arnt needed as most will have to snapfire n zapp gunz cost to much :c
Tell me if maybe you agree? Its what i would do

Just a quick thought.. if you are tailoring a list vs a Crisis suit list with amazing cover I can't for the life of me figure out why you are bringing lootas shootas and dakka jets..

-Crisis suits won't get the awesomesauce save versus burna bommas, flash gitz, and close combat. In fact, in close combat you could have power klaws which don't allow cover or the armor save.

-They will be doubled out and have no armor save versus tankbustas.

But I'm still new to the game.

EDIT; Or burna boyz in wagons, cause AP3 Power weapons..

Well I agree with the mek and trading out the zzap gun and 1 big shoota for a deff rolla but snap firing is not to be underestimated especially when you have a fair few shots like you do with the big shootas. But still what do orks have against av 13 and 14?


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yeah hadn't seen the new FAQ I've only seen orks in 5th ed

 Jd7 wrote:
But still what do orks have against av 13 and 14?

Powerklaws... Powerklaws for AV13 and 14.. Powerklaws for Crisis suits.. lots of them

Lots of them in wagons.. lots of them on bikes..

 Rismonite wrote:

 Jd7 wrote:
But still what do orks have against av 13 and 14?

Powerklaws... Powerklaws for AV13 and 14.. Powerklaws for Crisis suits.. lots of them

Lots of them in wagons.. lots of them on bikes..

You forgot deffrollas!

Aren't power claws crazy expensive I mean it cost more than a nob and they are easily gunned down. nobs with power claws are the same price or more expensive than at least da termis and they are easier to kill have the same weapon basically, sure nobs have 2 wounds but they have no armour and will die like flies. DA termies even suck so I see nobz as a bit of a point sink in a swarm army. Wouldn't mega nobz be wau better?

 Jd7 wrote:
Aren't power claws crazy expensive I mean it cost more than a nob and they are easily gunned down. nobs with power claws are the same price or more expensive than at least da termis and they are easier to kill have the same weapon basically, sure nobs have 2 wounds but they have no armour and will die like flies. DA termies even suck so I see nobz as a bit of a point sink in a swarm army. Wouldn't mega nobz be wau better?

Pks arnt always worth it. It seems worth it but it is a bit over priced and will always get challanged out. But it does kill tanks.

I may change those nobs for mega nobs bit I think those death rollas are the better option and the lootas will deal with most other armour, that or combat.

 Jd7 wrote:
I may change those nobs for mega nobs bit I think those death rollas are the better option and the lootas will deal with most other armour, that or combat.

good idea^^ i was hopin you would go for that. n meganobs are great you pay -5pts for a 2+ save

You should be more forward with your ideas Orkimedezz, they seem good and your last posts on this thread have sounded to me a bit tentative. Your right about the m.nobs. I dont play orks and I can see that nobs suck with power claws unless they have that 2+ sv and the 5 points reduction.

 Jd7 wrote:
You should be more forward with your ideas Orkimedezz, they seem good and your last posts on this thread have sounded to me a bit tentative. Your right about the m.nobs. I dont play orks and I can see that nobs suck with power claws unless they have that 2+ sv and the 5 points reduction.

Tau plasma wounds on 2s, ignores the 2+ save, and has rapid fire I believe. I want to say the common loadout is the missile launcher and a plasma rifle.

Nobz can be cheaper and be denser then meganobz.. have an invul save and 5 fnp. And even a big choppa to help if your unit gets a go at a riptide.

Any ork that has sent 30 boyz at some termies knows you will bury the termies in dice and they will roll ones. Tau have a capacity to do this at range.

Meganobz are nice I'm just offering counter thought. You need some cheaper dead guys who can equip a pk or ap3 weapon (burna)

Any powerklaw that you can get through the shooting to the crisis suit and around all the overwatch will double out and offer no armor save for crisis suits.

 Rismonite wrote:

 Jd7 wrote:
You should be more forward with your ideas Orkimedezz, they seem good and your last posts on this thread have sounded to me a bit tentative. Your right about the m.nobs. I dont play orks and I can see that nobs suck with power claws unless they have that 2+ sv and the 5 points reduction.

Tau plasma wounds on 2s, ignores the 2+ save, and has rapid fire I believe. I want to say the common loadout is the missile launcher and a plasma rifle.

Nobz can be cheaper and be denser then meganobz.. have an invul save and 5 fnp. And even a big choppa to help if your unit gets a go at a riptide.

Any ork that has sent 30 boyz at some termies knows you will bury the termies in dice and they will roll ones. Tau have a capacity to do this at range.

Meganobz are nice I'm just offering counter thought. You need some cheaper dead guys who can equip a pk or ap3 weapon (burna)

Any powerklaw that you can get through the shooting to the crisis suit and around all the overwatch will double out and offer no armor save for crisis suits.

sure I agree thats exactly how I would run nobs if i were aiming them at combat and not just at getting another battle wagon, but if you read the previous post you would see that people were saying take power claws to take out av 14 and 13 on nobs, now not only are you right with what you said there is an additional thing, nobs with power claws are more expensive than m.nobs and will die easier to bolter or better over watch because of rubbish armour where M.nobs will survive your average squad so my point was that if I were taking any kind of nob for the job of anti av 13+ i most certainly would not take regular guys because that is a silly idea. But for cheaper effective load outs sure.

 Jd7 wrote:
You should be more forward with your ideas Orkimedezz, they seem good and your last posts on this thread have sounded to me a bit tentative. Your right about the m.nobs. I dont play orks and I can see that nobs suck with power claws unless they have that 2+ sv and the 5 points reduction.

Not sure i understand what you mean? Is it becuse i am decisive about when to take nobs? Well if your paying for nobs with pks why not just take meganobs? I mean a 45pt model for a 6+ save rather than getting a better gun and a better save for -5 pts? Its a No brainer.


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 Jd7 wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:

 Jd7 wrote:
You should be more forward with your ideas Orkimedezz, they seem good and your last posts on this thread have sounded to me a bit tentative. Your right about the m.nobs. I dont play orks and I can see that nobs suck with power claws unless they have that 2+ sv and the 5 points reduction.

Tau plasma wounds on 2s, ignores the 2+ save, and has rapid fire I believe. I want to say the common loadout is the missile launcher and a plasma rifle.

Nobz can be cheaper and be denser then meganobz.. have an invul save and 5 fnp. And even a big choppa to help if your unit gets a go at a riptide.

Any ork that has sent 30 boyz at some termies knows you will bury the termies in dice and they will roll ones. Tau have a capacity to do this at range.

Meganobz are nice I'm just offering counter thought. You need some cheaper dead guys who can equip a pk or ap3 weapon (burna)

Any powerklaw that you can get through the shooting to the crisis suit and around all the overwatch will double out and offer no armor save for crisis suits.

sure I agree thats exactly how I would run nobs if i were aiming them at combat and not just at getting another battle wagon, but if you read the previous post you would see that people were saying take power claws to take out av 14 and 13 on nobs, now not only are you right with what you said there is an additional thing, nobs with power claws are more expensive than m.nobs and will die easier to bolter or better over watch because of rubbish armour where M.nobs will survive your average squad so my point was that if I were taking any kind of nob for the job of anti av 13+ i most certainly would not take regular guys because that is a silly idea. But for cheaper effective load outs sure.

My situation on orks vs tau is orks cant handle tau unless you have 6+ bws and nothing else. Thats the only way to stand a chance vs tau.

 Orkimedezz wrote:

 Jd7 wrote:
You should be more forward with your ideas Orkimedezz, they seem good and your last posts on this thread have sounded to me a bit tentative. Your right about the m.nobs. I dont play orks and I can see that nobs suck with power claws unless they have that 2+ sv and the 5 points reduction.

Not sure i understand what you mean? Is it becuse i am decisive about when to take nobs? Well if your paying for nobs with pks why not just take meganobs? I mean a 45pt model for a 6+ save rather than getting a better gun and a better save for -5 pts? Its a No brainer.


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 Jd7 wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:

 Jd7 wrote:
You should be more forward with your ideas Orkimedezz, they seem good and your last posts on this thread have sounded to me a bit tentative. Your right about the m.nobs. I dont play orks and I can see that nobs suck with power claws unless they have that 2+ sv and the 5 points reduction.

Tau plasma wounds on 2s, ignores the 2+ save, and has rapid fire I believe. I want to say the common loadout is the missile launcher and a plasma rifle.

Nobz can be cheaper and be denser then meganobz.. have an invul save and 5 fnp. And even a big choppa to help if your unit gets a go at a riptide.

Any ork that has sent 30 boyz at some termies knows you will bury the termies in dice and they will roll ones. Tau have a capacity to do this at range.

Meganobz are nice I'm just offering counter thought. You need some cheaper dead guys who can equip a pk or ap3 weapon (burna)

Any powerklaw that you can get through the shooting to the crisis suit and around all the overwatch will double out and offer no armor save for crisis suits.

sure I agree thats exactly how I would run nobs if i were aiming them at combat and not just at getting another battle wagon, but if you read the previous post you would see that people were saying take power claws to take out av 14 and 13 on nobs, now not only are you right with what you said there is an additional thing, nobs with power claws are more expensive than m.nobs and will die easier to bolter or better over watch because of rubbish armour where M.nobs will survive your average squad so my point was that if I were taking any kind of nob for the job of anti av 13+ i most certainly would not take regular guys because that is a silly idea. But for cheaper effective load outs sure.

My situation on orks vs tau is orks cant handle tau unless you have 6+ bws and nothing else. Thats the only way to stand a chance vs tau.

battlewagons and nob bikers is pretty much what i use when i hear someone is gonna bring Tau i dont even bother to dakkajet / lootas as they pretty much get shot against those Tau players at my local

yeah fair enough, I have 4... .... not enough hey :( but against farsight bomb i think you need more swarm because it takes out tough units like TEQ easily but struggles against mass swarm. which is why i wanted mass models in vehicles (particularly BWS) although at 1999+1 without investing in nobs BWS are only able to be taken as HS.

 Jd7 wrote:
yeah fair enough, I have 4... .... not enough hey :( but against farsight bomb i think you need more swarm because it takes out tough units like TEQ easily but struggles against mass swarm. which is why i wanted mass models in vehicles (particularly BWS) although at 1999+1 without investing in nobs BWS are only able to be taken as HS.

Nob Bws are cheap and at 2k pts you can easy max out on 8 of them and still have 60boyz n alot or kombi skorchas

You will run into problems with your gun line because there are only two targets they will be easily shot off of the table. I think an Aegis with a quad gun and some grots firing it would do wonders. If you drop the nobz (which are an easy target to kill that costs way too many points) you can split the lootas into three units which will be a big help in increasing their survive ability. Your fears about AV 13 are legitimate, but that is what every ork player fears. Deff Rollas will not cut it against tau, Power Klaws making it that far in means you have already won, and Zagg strukk is unpredictable. Lastly i'm a huge fan of power klaw nobz they make boyz universal in utility. Challenges suck but they can be overcome by making sure you always have two PKs around. I do this by running a big mek and a warboss with PKs in with the wagon boyz.

If you are able to kill the marker drones early the gun line will win you the game. Keep the B wagons back to take out deepstriking suits, and make sure not to move forward against a gunline, there is no reason to give fire warriors something to shoot at. Also make sure to make full use of LOS blocking terrain that will be huge in a game against tau.

wut, you sayz dey gots shiny bits and tanks? WHERZ ME POWA KLAW BOYZ, WEZ GOTS SUM POWA KLAWIN TA DO!