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2014/07/14 22:20:03
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Exergy wrote: Next you hear the shooting in the distance, perhaps you peak out to investigate and find that it isnt any of the scary men in body armor but just local gangs fighting with each other over drugs, supplies, guns, or living space.
I do not think local gangs would react to this that way. Would they not be bunkering themselves or something? Also, actually in that situation I expect some evacuation being ordered too. With vehicles that are more numerous and goes way faster than the scary mean, leaving them to be pretty bored.
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2014/07/15 17:11:04
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Exergy wrote: Next you hear the shooting in the distance, perhaps you peak out to investigate and find that it isnt any of the scary men in body armor but just local gangs fighting with each other over drugs, supplies, guns, or living space.
I do not think local gangs would react to this that way. Would they not be bunkering themselves or something? Also, actually in that situation I expect some evacuation being ordered too. With vehicles that are more numerous and goes way faster than the scary mean, leaving them to be pretty bored.
How long did it take local gangs to form in haiti and for them to start looting after the earthquake? You remove all the police from an area and sooner or later you get lawlessness. Might start as small property crime but it would very quickly escalate into large organized violence.
In the Atlanta vs a planet example we must assume that it is somehow difficult to get away from Atlanta, as it is very difficut to get off a planet without a space ship. I didnt first suggest Atlanta, but I think for comparisons sake you must consider it difficult to leave. Even if it wasnt though, Atlanta does not have the transportation infrastrucutre for a mass evacuation. The trains and planes can only carry so many people and the roads will only take so many cars. Eventually there will not be enough gasoline to facilitate 3 million people all leaving at the same time.
Also 20 space marines are a lot scarier than 100 scary men of any description.
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2014/07/15 22:25:24
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Exergy wrote: How long did it take local gangs to form in haiti and for them to start looting after the earthquake?
No idea, but since you are bringing this up now, I am going to assume it was quick.
Exergy wrote: You remove all the police from an area and sooner or later you get lawlessness. Might start as small property crime but it would very quickly escalate into large organized violence.
Well, that happened in Haiti. However, that did not happen in the aftermath of others natural catastrophes, like the many tsunamis in Asia, the earthquakes in Iran, …
Maybe this depends on in which kind of society the disaster appear. So, I guess we should look at what happened after Katrina, for instance. Oh well, maybe you would get gangs of thugs rampaging the streets .
Exergy wrote: In the Atlanta vs a planet example we must assume that it is somehow difficult to get away from Atlanta, as it is very difficut to get off a planet without a space ship.
You do not need to get away from the planet, just away enough from the marines .
Exergy wrote: Eventually there will not be enough gasoline to facilitate 3 million people all leaving at the same time.
Are you kidding? There is enough gasoline to take basically all those peoples to work every single day. Why would there not be enough gasoline to evacuate them in a special case of emergency?
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2014/07/15 22:39:05
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Exergy wrote: Eventually there will not be enough gasoline to facilitate 3 million people all leaving at the same time.
Are you kidding? There is enough gasoline to take basically all those peoples to work every single day. Why would there not be enough gasoline to evacuate them in a special case of emergency?
Only a small portion of soceity actually works. Many people are retired, work from home, are children, take mass transit, or walk to work.
Second most people commute an less than 15-20 miles to work and fill up their tank once a week. Everyone leaving requires 500+ miles.
A few of the first people fill up gas cans, taking more than they need and that leaves less for everyone else.
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2014/07/16 12:31:47
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Exergy wrote: Only a small portion of soceity actually works. Many people are retired, work from home, are children, take mass transit, or walk to work.
Let us say that this amount to 30% of people. Now, how many people fill up the 5+ places in their cars when they go to work? Not many. Add to that that big common transportation will consume less gasoline per person, and you really have enough gasoline to evacuate everyone if it is done in an orderly and organized fashion. Less so if it is not done in an orderly and organized fashion, but then I would say traffic jam are going to be the real problem, not gasoline.
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2014/07/18 16:01:00
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Exergy wrote: Only a small portion of soceity actually works. Many people are retired, work from home, are children, take mass transit, or walk to work.
Let us say that this amount to 30% of people. Now, how many people fill up the 5+ places in their cars when they go to work? Not many. Add to that that big common transportation will consume less gasoline per person, and you really have enough gasoline to evacuate everyone if it is done in an orderly and organized fashion.
Less so if it is not done in an orderly and organized fashion, but then I would say traffic jam are going to be the real problem, not gasoline.
Ill give you that traffic is going to be a problem, it's also going to kill your gas mileage
60% of the population is of working age
65% of working age actually work(are workers)
89% of workers commute(8% work from home full time, 3% telecommute)
90% of commuters use a car
so 31% of people drive a car to work, a very good estimate of yours.
The problem is the supply of gas in a city. At any given moment, we can assume that all the cars in a steady state city or area are half full(some people recently filled up, others have gas but not a lot, some are in need of gas). The average car's tank is 20 gallons, so each car needs 10 to be full.
There are 5 million people in Atlanta, lets say 3 million cars(there are actually 5 million, but some people have 2 cars). There are ~2000 gas stations in Atlanta, and unfortunately they are close to half full too. The average gas station holds 15,000 gallons, has 8-9000 gallons left. So to fill the 3 million cars, you are going to need 30 million gallons of gas, but in the city you only have ~20 million gallons at most.
That sounds pretty good, if you orderly rationed the gas everyone would get 5/6 of a tank(they had 1/2 to start)
but it isnt going to be orderly rationed. Some people are gonna fill up a gas can or three. Some people are going to fill up all of their cars, even though they cannot drive all their cars. Some gas stations are going to be mobbed with people and go dry while others don't see any customers. People will drive around endlessly looking for a gas station that has gas or waiting in line to fill up(when scary people attack, you don't want to be waiting in line at a gas station)
And that only gets you ~100 miles out of town(the traffic eats your gas mileage)
Then you have an extra 5 million people in a rural area with not too many gas stations.
Now there is gas, a lot of people are going to make it out, but a lot of them are going to have to go to 3+ gas station before they fill their tank. People will be price gouging, charging $10+ a gallon. Having to go to 3+ gas stations, wait in a long line at a few stations, and then paying $10 is going to undermine society. Hence the gangs of looters and peoples lack of faith in society and the government.
Some of those people are going to run out of gas, and then being stranded out away from their home, they are going to get cut down. If 2.5 million of the 5 million get away, but 2.5 million die. I wouldnt call it a success for the city. With everyone fleeing the economy will cease to exist, eventually there will be no more gas/food/supplies coming into the city or really anywhere else nearby. The 100 angry men will eventually catch up to those who fled. No one is going to band together the hungry/fuel starved peasantry to make a stand. Everyone will be too dispersed by this point.
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2014/09/27 22:20:20
Subject: Re:How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
were the third most violent city in the US so i'd say we'd have the best chance.
You are just men. Enslaved men. Wage slaves. You spend most if not all of your time either toiling away at some annoying job. bar fights, drug deals gon wrong some militia or something - these experiences wont lead you guys to stand a chance against 50 Night Lords.
No amount of speed and uzis will protect you from a perfected killing machine. The heavier explosives, well maybe. The military bases in atlanta are your only hope, and they will die too.
You are up against monsters of war that have logistics the likes of which you nor your countless neighbors have seen. Weapons that are extremely powerful on all fronts. Your society, the city of atlanta, will die. All of them.
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2014/10/01 14:32:27
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
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Fifty Night Lords?
Ahahaha.
One Night Lord would be enough.
You'd never catch him, and he'd proceed to scare the gak out of everyone he chooses to reveal himself for- and promptly kill them.
He can without worry take down a squad or platoon at a time. You can't do gak to stop him. If half a dozen CSM can utterly demolish an IG company with ease, do you think earth-guns would be anything more than comedy to them?
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2014/10/01 15:22:58
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
You'd never catch him, and he'd proceed to scare the gak out of everyone he chooses to reveal himself for- and promptly kill them.
Aah, yes. Yes off course, the Nightlords are the stealthiest out of all the marines. You won’t have time to scream when you see them coming for you, because you’re simply too busy laughing like a maniac at their silly clown suits.
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2014/10/01 15:45:38
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
You'd never catch him, and he'd proceed to scare the gak out of everyone he chooses to reveal himself for- and promptly kill them.
Aah, yes. Yes off course, the Nightlords are the stealthiest out of all the marines. You won’t have time to scream when you see them coming for you, because you’re simply too busy laughing like a maniac at their silly clown suits.
Night Lords actually almost never wear bat ears. The helmets are ceremonial and are a very rare find.Typically Night Lords actually just run around in scavenged armor, or the Raptors wear freakishly mutated armor.
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2014/10/01 16:11:59
Subject: Re:How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
amanita wrote: So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?
Moktor wrote: No one should be complaining about this codex. It gave regular Eldar a much needed buff by allowing us to drop Fire Dragons and D-Scythe Wraithguard wherever we want, without scatter. Without this, I almost lost a game once. It was scary. I almost took to buying fixed dice to ensure it never happened again.
2014/10/01 16:29:59
Subject: Re:How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Have you read the Night Lords trilogy by ADB or all the Night Lord stories in the HH?
These are what Night Lords looked like during the Horus Heresy.
And here's first claw, which I'd consider an official picture of more or less because ADB needed a new set of pants upon receiving it. Only Xarl wears the ceramonial helmet still, everyone else is stuck with scavenged armor. Also note that it fits Xarl as well because he's pretty much the Company Champion. However, everyone else is stuck with what was the most recent kill- Talos for example wears blood angel armor through most of the series after killing a group and having his artificer shave off a lot of the iconography.The fact that GW actually sells bat-winged Night Lord helmets is hilarious and proves they don't even know one of their own factions. A fluffy version of Night Lords would be kitbashed with CSM and SM kits.
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2014/10/01 20:34:52
Subject: Re:How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Wyzilla wrote: Have you read the Night Lords trilogy by ADB or all the Night Lord stories in the HH?
Yes. I have read these books you mentioned. Regardless, the fact that ADB has decided to depict his tiny band of 4 night lords without winged helmets, doesn’t really prevent other night lords from wearing those winged helms as standard head protection.
Abysmal as they are, flutter helms have always been a part of the Night Lord’s look and GW agrees with me.
amanita wrote: So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?
Moktor wrote: No one should be complaining about this codex. It gave regular Eldar a much needed buff by allowing us to drop Fire Dragons and D-Scythe Wraithguard wherever we want, without scatter. Without this, I almost lost a game once. It was scary. I almost took to buying fixed dice to ensure it never happened again.
2014/10/02 00:36:57
Subject: Re:How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Wyzilla wrote: Have you read the Night Lords trilogy by ADB or all the Night Lord stories in the HH?
Yes. I have read these books you mentioned. Regardless, the fact that ADB has decided to depict his tiny band of 4 night lords without winged helmets, doesn’t really prevent other night lords from wearing those winged helms as standard head protection.
Abysmal as they are, flutter helms have always been a part of the Night Lord’s look and GW agrees with me.
Except Forge World doesn't, and we know during the Horus Heresy that only Raptors ever appeared to wear winged helmets, and that we know that the winged helmets were ceremonial. Again, there's no evidence to actually support Night Lords on a whole wearing winged helmets. They're extremely rare, the only guys that should even have them are champions from the Horus Heresy. Unless they have production to actually make new armor, it's impossible for any winged helmets to still exist en masse due to the 10,000 years that have passed since the HH. Almost all armor since them, with the poor care of CSMs, would have been rendered nonfuctional. Hence why Night Lords scavenge their armor.
Also, the Night Lords trilogy didn't just have a depleted Company, at one point the entire Night Lords Legion united to claim a recording of Konrad Curze's death.
Oh, and to boot, those helmets are several editions old and probably aren't even production anymore.
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2014/10/02 12:51:18
Subject: Re:How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Blah blah ADB this, forgeworld that. This is how GW has chosen to portray the Night Lords.
If you want to model your night lords without helms with wings on them, then that’s fine. ADB and FW gave you some wiggle room so you could do just that. Regardless, the larger part of the Night Lords legion in 40k wears flutter helms.
amanita wrote: So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?
Moktor wrote: No one should be complaining about this codex. It gave regular Eldar a much needed buff by allowing us to drop Fire Dragons and D-Scythe Wraithguard wherever we want, without scatter. Without this, I almost lost a game once. It was scary. I almost took to buying fixed dice to ensure it never happened again.
2014/10/02 21:32:08
Subject: Re:How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Blah blah ADB this, forgeworld that. This is how GW has chosen to portray the Night Lords.
If you want to model your night lords without helms with wings on them, then that’s fine. ADB and FW gave you some wiggle room so you could do just that. Regardless, the larger part of the Night Lords legion in 40k wears flutter helms.
The first picture is from Index Astartes... which is horribly out of date by around three editions, if not four. The second picture is of the Night Lords raid on Vilamus where they teamed up with the Red Corsairs and sacked the Marines Errant fortress monastery. Meaning that's probably Xarl... the guy who wore the bat wings.
Try again.
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2014/10/02 23:51:01
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
You'd never catch him, and he'd proceed to scare the gak out of everyone he chooses to reveal himself for- and promptly kill them.
He can without worry take down a squad or platoon at a time. You can't do gak to stop him. If half a dozen CSM can utterly demolish an IG company with ease, do you think earth-guns would be anything more than comedy to them?
And if 10 Kasrkins + a psyker are able to kill 2 Plague Marine losing only 3 Kasrkins in the process, the city's going to be fine.
You'd never catch him, and he'd proceed to scare the gak out of everyone he chooses to reveal himself for- and promptly kill them.
He can without worry take down a squad or platoon at a time. You can't do gak to stop him. If half a dozen CSM can utterly demolish an IG company with ease, do you think earth-guns would be anything more than comedy to them?
And if 10 Kasrkins + a psyker are able to kill 2 Plague Marine losing only 3 Kasrkins in the process, the city's going to be fine.
Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.
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2014/10/03 11:28:15
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
You'd never catch him, and he'd proceed to scare the gak out of everyone he chooses to reveal himself for- and promptly kill them.
He can without worry take down a squad or platoon at a time. You can't do gak to stop him. If half a dozen CSM can utterly demolish an IG company with ease, do you think earth-guns would be anything more than comedy to them?
And if 10 Kasrkins + a psyker are able to kill 2 Plague Marine losing only 3 Kasrkins in the process, the city's going to be fine.
Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.
Who has yet to realize its him thats upside down, not the world. And dont forget Kasrkins have weapons designed to penetrate trator marine armor, and between the 10 of them much better training than 10 million humans who were abandoned on some backwoods planet the imperium doesnt want.
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2014/10/04 00:23:53
Subject: Re:How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
The actual 'invasion' would happen about Friday or Saturday at about 0300. The week leading up to that, would see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill and occasionally dying - to a new disease, and military bases would also reported multiple cases of break ins and sabotage (the instances they notice that is).
Friday night comes round and people go out dancing and drinking, including a large number of service men/women. Overall less people are out due to the recent deaths and sickness, but people continue to go out none the less.
0200. The time when most people are intoxicated/tired from dancing. The Night Lords reveal themselves. Slaughtering thousands in the streets and the explosives hidden during the last week detonate, leveling buildings, bridges and destroying armories and vehicle depots. All of this takes place over the next half hour, maybe forty-five minutes.
Local law enforcement arrive first. Then the state troops arrive and split into combat columns. They find the grisly remains of the police and SWAT teams hanging from lamp posts and nailed to cars. Only the aren't remains, they are screaming, not from the pain of being flayed or have their legs torn off and their eyes pealed open, but from the mental images they can't get out of their heads of what they have seen.
The state troops are getting nervous and tight on their trigger fingers, when all of the communication devices in the city start screaming and wailing. From every cellphone to each radio in the remaining armored units still functioning, they all emit this horrific and utterly terrifying scream. A moment of mass confusion occurs, when the state troops have no idea what to do.
That's when the Night Lords attack them. Not from the front, or the sides, or the rear. From about. They leap from buildings into the midst of the columns of state troopers. Only three Nights Lords for each column. They don't use bolt guns, no that would be to easy and waste ammunition. They rip into the state troopers with combat blade, chain swords nearly the size of a normal man and flaying knives. Many are dead before the terrified state troopers react, many flee - right into the second wave of individual Night Lords hidden around routes where the troopers run mindlessly. Most are cut down or wounded and left to lie there screaming and whimpering.
Those that stand and fight manage to lay down some coherent fire patterns, and possibly manage to bring down a couple of Night Lords. The armored state units are systematically destroyed by melta fire, missile launchers or satchel charges wielded by the third lot of Night Lords appearing on the roofs and the rear. Infantry units are carved apart piecemeal, and the final pockets of resistance are neutralized. Hundreds if not thousands die.
Its now 0330
The first units from Army arrives at around 0400 but decide to wait for reinforcements, which arrive over the next hour. Air recon reports nothing. Just the empty city, and some odd shapes on the ground level. Close Air Support is on station.
0500. Silence. Complete silence, as the professional military units move through the first few blocks of the city. Much of the residential zones are burned or leveled. Blood coats the side walks and the streets, no bodies are anywhere to be seen. what sounds like a brief fire fight echoes through the city. All units respond except command, or the units stationed as reserve. Forward recon units report that they found the shapes. Hundreds of flayed bodies, arranged in patterns around the city.
The Night Lords are never seen again. The entire population of Atlanta is eradicated, and the city is left a ghost town. No one enters the city again, and napalm is used to destroy the symbols and to try and kill any remaining Night Lords.
In London, officials see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill. . .
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2014/10/06 05:33:13
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
I LOVE the bat helms personally, and bought a bunch of them back when GW had a bitz bin on their site.
And I routinely say that the Night Lords Hero is my favorite model by far, and only hate that its just unusable... Powerfist and combi-flamer? I had to eventually take the Power fist off and just give him an extra pistol arm.
But check out the heads on his shoulder guard, and the body parts hanging off his neck!
2014/10/06 06:42:43
Subject: Re:How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
The fact that Night Lords can remain stealthy and unseen for so long despite being 9 feet tall, wearing bulky armor with gaudy paintjob and firing extremely loud weapons is one of the greatest mysteries of the 41st Millennium.
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2014/10/06 07:40:54
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Ashiraya wrote: The same way Curze was sneaking around, of course.
You mean the guy who uses his psychic powers to literally cloak himself in shadows?
amanita wrote: So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?
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2014/10/06 17:34:41
Subject: How did 50 Night Lords kill ten million people on Tsugulsa in Void Stalker?
Ashiraya wrote: The same way Curze was sneaking around, of course.
You mean the guy who uses his psychic powers to literally cloak himself in shadows?
and all who carry his geneseed have some degree of the same powers Kurze had himself.
Kurze had near perfect foresight long into the future. He knew the Imperium was going to send an assassin to kill him decades before it happened.
While much less powerful, it is likely that a lot of night lords can hide themselves just by seeing slighly into the future and seeing where people are going to look.
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