Wolves and Guards. 1500pts. Tourney.

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**sixtyten**

Hi all.
Entering an tournament in ablout a month.
Want to make a solid and competative list centered on the list below.
I think the list explains the tactics in mind. Drop the Hunters. Blob the Guards. Shoot with the otherstuff.

++PRIMARY DETACHMENT++

+HQ+

-Runepriest 100pts

+TROOPS+

-10 Grey hunters, 2 plasma, pod 195

-10 Grey hunters, 2 melta, pod 190

-10 Grey hunters, 2 plasma, pod 195

+FAST ATTACK+

2x Lanspeeder Typhoons 180pts

+HEAVY SUPPORT+

-Vindicator, 115

- Predator 120
Autocannon Turret
Lascannon Sides

++SECONDARY DETACHMENT++

+HQ+

-Commandsquad 65pts Company banner

+TROOPS+

-InfantryPlatoon 1 Platoon Command, 30pts

-3 x 10man Infantry Squads, 3x Autocannons. 180pts

+FAST ATTACK+

Vandetta 130pts

1500pts

Toughts?

Flamer plasma on the Hunters? Cheaper, better vs Horde? Where to spend the 25pts gained?

**Grugknuckle**

First, I think the vindicator is misplaced in this list and I'll tell you why. Once you drop the Grey Hunters, they'll be in the way of what you want to shoot at and will be at risk of being hit. Also...why get a Vindicator when you could get another Lehman Russ?

Second, one of the best things about Grey Hunters is their unique wargear. Take advantage of the Mark of the Wulfen and definitely take a Wolf Standard. You can add one of each of those to all of your GH squads for 75 points. Drop the Vindicator to pay for it, then use the 125 points you have left over and the 40 points change from the Vindi to get a second Lehman Russ.

Third, as another option, you could consider dropping both Lehman Russes mentioned above and take 2 Vendettas instead.

**Talore**

You can't get another Leman Russ without squadroning them up, which generally isn't a good idea.

**Grugknuckle**

Talore wrote:
You can't get another Leman Russ without squadroning them up, which generally isn't a good idea.

This is true. The trouble is that you have to shoot at the same target with both tanks. That could be a problem depending on what you're shooting at. I dunno, but I still think it's better than a Vindicator and a Lehman Russ.

**sixtyten**

List updated.

The tourney has Komp rules. So I cant take 2 Russes anyhow.
The Vindi is really to add to midtable pressure with the blob. Also, I love how the Vindis work in the meta-game.

Hunters: Yeap, I know. I consider dropping the Vindi to get som uppgrades.
Also - With Vandetta/Typhoons/Pred I consider having 3x Flamer+Plasma instead of the above. Saving 25pts. 5pts short of getting 3x Banners :/

So: 115/140 pts to go depending on the above choices.

**Grugknuckle**

I'm really not a fan of the land speeders. You pay 180 points for 4 krak missile shots and a unit that can very easily die from one round of shooting. Why not pay 140 points for 6 Long Fangs with 5 ML's? Not only is it cheaper, but you'd have more firepower, more survivability and more flexibility at what you shoot at. Also, if you save this 40 points and scrounge up 10 more, you can get an ADL for your guard to stand behind.

As for the Predator, I'd either go with 2 vindicators or 2 Predators depending on your taste and what you expect to be shooting at.

**MisterPerkins**

Are the 3x10 inf squads going to blob up? If so, you might want to put a commissar in there. I'd also drop the banner. Aside from that, I'd go with 2 vindicators over the pred/vind combo. Being that you have a vendetta for long range tank hunting, the vindicators can be used for assault support or just to keep the enemy wary of advancing on your line

**sixtyten**

1. The Guardsmen are going to go Blob yeap. The tourny has restrictions so Im not allowed to get an commissar for a Blob.

2. Vindi vs Pred. The reason I got one of each is really because I cant make up my mind.
The Vindis are always nice but Im trying to consider how the game will develop and I feel that A: The enemy arent forced to advance on my line And B: The HUnters would be very glad to get som Heavy/Anti Armour support once down in the enemy lines.

3. That brings me in to the choce of getting Typhoons rather than Fangs. To be able to support the Hunters.
Furthermore - If I grab the Longfangs they are going to be the only guys hanging at the back so I feel that they will be kinda exposed to Outflankers/Deep Strikes.

Toughts?

**gausus**

Vindicator is ok, but it is a huge fire magnet.
If You have free points left, take a Razorback for the Fangs. Hbolter or AssaultCannon/LasCannon (depends on the points and the enemy). A additional shooting unit is always a good option.

**MisterPerkins**

What about dropping the CCS and taking a Lord Commissar as your HQ and having him join the blob? Do the rules forbid that?

**sixtyten**

No Commissars + blob at all.

**Grugknuckle**

sixtyten wrote:
1. The Guardsmen are going to go Blob yeap. The tourny has restrictions so Im not allowed to get an commissar for a Blob.

What kind of tournament doesn't allow a commissar?

2. Vindi vs Pred. The reason I got one of each is really because I cant make up my mind.
The Vindis are always nice but Im trying to consider how the game will develop and I feel that A: The enemy arent forced to advance on my line And B: The HUnters would be very glad to get som Heavy/Anti Armour support once down in the enemy lines.

You'll get more anti-armor from your meltaguns than from a pair of lascannons. And you'll get five S8 krak missiles with Long Fangs which is 'heavier' than three S7 autocannon shots from the predator.

3. That brings me in to the choce of getting Typhoons rather than Fangs. To be able to support the Hunters.
Furthermore - If I grab the Longfangs they are going to be the only guys hanging at the back so I feel that they will be kinda exposed to Outflankers/Deep Strikes.

I disagree that you have to put your long fangs 'at the back'. You can easily put them right at the front edge of your deployment zone and still be very survivable. ESPECIALLY when there are 30 guardsmen right next to you. Plus, the Long Fangs will easily be able to support the Grey Hunters - they have a 48" range. With an AV10 and only 2 HP, the Land Speeders will just get killed. You can kill them with bolters! A single squad of Tau firewarriors will vaporize them. Easily.

**sixtyten**

1. Well. It work like this. You start at 0pts in komp. Then certain stugg gives you +1. For example Commissars and Vandetta. The tournament allows a maximum of +1
This pdf explains:
http://svenska40k.se/forum/download/file.php?id=3908

2. Yea so going for Fangs instead. What about the Vindi vs Pred?

3. True. So Typhoons -> Long fangs with 4x ML + 40pts.