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I have a big unit in cover, and my opponent shoots 4 flamers at the unit managing to only hit the same 2 models from my unit with each template. If I fail all of my saves, and no other models are within range of the template, do I only lose the two models within range? The BRB page 15, and the associated FAQ seem to say yes. Am I missing something?

BRB FAQ
Q: When making a Shooting attack against a unit, can Wounds
from the Wound Pool be allocated to models that were not within
range any of the shooting models when To Hit rolls were made (i.e.
half the targeted model are in the shooting models’ range, and half
are not)? (p15)
A: No.

You're correct - flames can only kill what they cover.
If your opponent had fired anything besides those flames you'd wound out to the maximum range of that weapon, not just the flamers.

Filthy Sanchez wrote:
I have a big unit in cover, and my opponent shoots 4 flamers at the unit managing to only hit the same 2 models from my unit with each template. If I fail all of my saves, and no other models are within range of the template, do I only lose the two models within range? The BRB page 15, and the associated FAQ seem to say yes. Am I missing something?

No, you are absolutely right. But if the flamer squad fires even one weapon with longer range (a pistol even) you're in trouble even if it missed - it's still a shooting model for the purposes of the rules.

Ok, but assuming he fires 4 flamers and a bolter.

Do the flamer wounds carry over past the range of the templates? As they deny cover, they are effectively a different wound pool.

I'm thinking the additional flamer wounds would be lost, but the bolter could then go on to wound another model.

Is this correct?

nope. As long as any weapon the squad is firing has range to the models in your unit, the wounds from the flamers would carry over.

Eihnlazer - Can I ask you to back that up with rulebook / FAQ references?

Filthy Sanchez wrote:
I have a big unit in cover, and my opponent shoots 4 flamers at the unit managing to only hit the same 2 models from my unit with each template. If I fail all of my saves, and no other models are within range of the template, do I only lose the two models within range? The BRB page 15, and the associated FAQ seem to say yes. Am I missing something?

BRB FAQ
Q: When making a Shooting attack against a unit, can Wounds
from the Wound Pool be allocated to models that were not within
range any of the shooting models when To Hit rolls were made (i.e.
half the targeted model are in the shooting models’ range, and half
are not)? (p15)
A: No.

Emphasis mine.

If the unit firing 4 flamers also fires 1 bolt pistol, wounds can be allocated within range of "any shooting model". So an 8.5" flamer template can allocate wounds to 12" if pistols are firing from the same unit.

Yup this is one of those rules that doesn't make a lot of sense. But I can see the need for it, otherwise You'ld be having to roll all weapons with different ranges separate from each other.

A side area of confusion in this same debate is rapid fire. Say a whole squad can get range to two guys to rapid fire, but the rest of the target is out of rapid range. The wounds are still resolved out to the weapons full range because rapid fire does not change the weapons range, it just gives bonus shots if the target is close.

rigeld2 wrote:
You're correct - flames can only kill what they cover.
If your opponent had fired anything besides those flames you'd wound out to the maximum range of that weapon, not just the flamers.

The bolded is a little inaccurate, they can kill what they can cover. So if you can cover 6 different models but the best placement of the template only covers 2 you can still kill 6 in the OP.

Right, thanks for the clarification.

ok i have a similar question.

i have 3 obliterators and am shooting 3 heavy flamers.

my oppenent has a large group of ork boyz kinda tight together.

1st template cover 6 boyz, 2nd covers 4 boys ( 2 are the same from first template), 3rd covers 5 boyz ( 3 are the same boyz from 1st and 2nd) so i have 15 wounds to roll?.
or do i not count the boyz already covered by previous templates?

and say i get to roll for 15 wounds and make 11 of them. but only 8 boyz are in range of the template, do the boyz only suffer wounds to those who can be covered by the template and the other 3 get to live?

i think i would get to roll all 15 wounds and get 11 but only 8 boyz are removed as causualties...

am i correct?

Yes, you would have 15 "hits" all of which could potentially wound, however only those that a template can cover would be kill-able.

 Happyjew wrote:
Yes, you would have 15 "hits" all of which could potentially wound, however only those that a template can cover would be kill-able.

Which, for the record, is 8".

So you could only remove casualties from within 8" of the Oblits.