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So I searched this forum and didn't find anything relating to my question. During a game at my flgs, one player wanted to know if his FMC that was currently swooping got a 5+ cover save for ending his move in area terrain. I'm inclined to say no, but no where in the BRB could I find wording to back me up. He decided to move past the terrain so it didn't matter that game, but I want to know for future games.

Nothing in the rules stops swooping FMC from gaining cover saves. If they are in area terrain they get the save just like any other non vehicle model.

Yeah, you can't find wording in the BRB to back you up, there isn't any, Swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures have exactly the same cover save rules as every non-vehicle.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if he's swooping, he's actually still in the air so any cover saves from terrain would depend on how tall the terrain actually was. Our house rule is that a swooping MC is actually flying at the height of the flyer base

jb7090 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if he's swooping, he's actually still in the air so any cover saves from terrain would depend on how tall the terrain actually was. Our house rule is that a swooping MC is actually flying at the height of the flyer base[/quote

While sensible, there's nothing in the rules about that. The model is where it is, if it's in area terrain it gets a cover save.

jb7090 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if he's swooping, he's actually still in the air so any cover saves from terrain would depend on how tall the terrain actually was. Our house rule is that a swooping MC is actually flying at the height of the flyer base

Your first mistake was assuming you can apply reality to 40k.

 PrinceRaven wrote:

jb7090 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if he's swooping, he's actually still in the air so any cover saves from terrain would depend on how tall the terrain actually was. Our house rule is that a swooping MC is actually flying at the height of the flyer base

Your first mistake was assuming you can apply reality to 40k.

Is there a rule on this? How are others playing it?

The rule here is quite simple. Area terrain gives you a cover save when you're in it, completely regardless of being obscured. Bottom left of page 91, the bold text.
Swooping, skimming or any other kind of flying does nothing to negate this.

 Super Ready wrote:
The rule here is quite simple. Area terrain gives you a cover save when you're in it, completely regardless of being obscured. Bottom left of page 91, the bold text.
Swooping, skimming or any other kind of flying does nothing to negate this.

Please use rules quotes correctly yes fmc's mc's and infantry do get AT as normal vehicles skimmers and fliers do not

wargamer1985 wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
The rule here is quite simple. Area terrain gives you a cover save when you're in it, completely regardless of being obscured. Bottom left of page 91, the bold text.
Swooping, skimming or any other kind of flying does nothing to negate this.

Please use rules quotes correctly yes fmc's mc's and infantry do get AT as normal vehicles skimmers and fliers do not

He didn't quote the rules, wargamer. He referenced them. There's no need to be argumentative.


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 PrinceRaven wrote:

jb7090 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if he's swooping, he's actually still in the air so any cover saves from terrain would depend on how tall the terrain actually was. Our house rule is that a swooping MC is actually flying at the height of the flyer base

Your first mistake was assuming you can apply reality to 40k.

Yeah. Having seen Swooping FMCs get the cover save for ending their move with their base in a crater, I asked the same question in a different thread. Despite the fact that it makes no legitimate sense, they do indeed get the cover save. I wish it were situational, personally. Forests, buildings, I can see. Craters? Cemeteries? Going a little afield in my opinion.

Well i'm sorry...whether you misquote miss-refference or mis phrase the wrong information was provided. With no rules backup as per the tenents of this forum

wargamer1985 wrote:
Well i'm sorry...whether you misquote miss-refference or mis phrase the wrong information was provided. With no rules backup as per the tenents of this forum

The rules for Flying MCs on page 49 specify how they work. There is no mention of area terrain, therefore Flying MCs use the normal rules for area terrain and cover saves. The rules were not misquoted, mis-referenced, or mis-phrased in any way.

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The context of the thread is talking about FMC.

Taken in the correct context, coupled with the fact that he listed the page number so you can read the rule yourself, there is absolutely nothing wrong with his post.

Your posts are completely unnecessary wargamer...

If we think of the turns not as a stop and go series of events but rather a smooth continuous skirmish, the Swooping monster is still in aerial motion after Swooping down into the terrain. The speed and trees in the way makes for good cover. Then he can Swoop back upwards on the way out of Terrain next turn, or just decide to Glide down and Smash the enemy.

And clouds of flies and poop gas makes Nurgle Daemons have that much more cover

wargamer1985 wrote:
Well i'm sorry...whether you misquote miss-refference or mis phrase the wrong information was provided. With no rules backup as per the tenents of this forum

He did reference them correctly

Yawn none of you read his post he referred to skimming since there is no mention of a fmc skimmin that is reference to skimmers making his post false and misleading as skimmers are vehicles and vehicle dont gain area terrain saves so kindly attack the right personor back down

wargamer1985 wrote:
Yawn none of you read his post he referred to skimming since there is no mention of a fmc skimmin that is reference to skimmers making his post false and misleading as skimmers are vehicles and vehicle dont gain area terrain saves so kindly attack the right personor back down

The OP talks about Swooping, not Skimming. Less haste when mocking people next time perhaps?

{Edit} Apparently your comment was aimed at Super rather than the OP, now I look like an idiot... Sorry!

Actually I *did* make a mistake. I was wrong on skimming and should've looked it up before posting. wargamer1985, my apologies.

Everybody else, shame on you - can't you read my mistakes before blindly defending them?

I thought it was the vehicles rules that denied a cover save if in area terrain but not obscured. Last I checked the general rules for terrain don't have any restrictions. So power the terrain rules a skimmer would get a cover save for being in it, however, the vehicle rules override this.

 Super Ready wrote:
Actually I *did* make a mistake. I was wrong on skimming and should've looked it up before posting. wargamer1985, my apologies.

Everybody else, shame on you - can't you read my mistakes before blindly defending them?

But you were right, the rules for skimmers and flyers don't say anything to negate area terrain.

So I see - I have now looked through everything else relevant and found nothing counteracts page 91 for skimmers or fliers. In which case...

wargamer1985 wrote:Please use rules quotes correctly

After you.

Yawn fliers VEHICLE (flyer/hover) skimmers VEHICLE. (fast/skimmer) so on

You go to the reference section in the back of the brb. You know the.section that references every army on page 134 vehicle tyes which includes fliers.skimmers.making them subject to vehicle rules.

Armour value/hull points = vehicle
Armour value/structure points =building
Toughness/wounds = all non vehicle units in a game.

Being a subsection of a.class does not remove your parent section

wargamer1985 wrote:
Yawn fliers VEHICLE (flyer/hover) skimmers VEHICLE. (fast/skimmer) so on

You go to the reference section in the back of the brb. You know the.section that references every army on page 134 vehicle tyes which includes fliers.skimmers.making them subject to vehicle rules.

Armour value/hull points = vehicle
Armour value/structure points =building
Toughness/wounds = all non vehicle units in a game.

Being a subsection of a.class does not remove your parent section

What's even your point? what does this have to do with the original post that you are so insistent is wrong.

Right, got it. It's the top of page 75 - I missed it first time round.

Wargamer - it would've been better to put the page reference and/or quote the line first time. Also, the reference section *can* be wrong simply by being incomplete information.

wargamer1985 wrote:
Yawn

You should get some sleep brah. Maybe wake up feeling less confrontational.