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Ahem, my last list wasn't cheesy enough for you dakka. I'm not here to disappoint you my friends. I've been working on figuring out how to deliver centurions in a land raider in conjunction with an Eldar assault force and here it is. I have no interest in letting my opponents even enjoy their lists, I want their models back in the box as fast as possible. In addition to the divination directly applied to the centurions for ignores cover, 4++, re rolled enemy saves, precog Tiggy and the ever popular prescience I have a very solid scoring base coming from the forward Eldar units and the two units of scouts I'll use reserve manipulation on to keep out of the fight as long as possible. I have anti flier from the serpents. I have ap2 at range from the knight. Between the land raider, wave serpent trio and wraithknight, enemy anti tank weapons will be over saturated. In fact after my centurions get out and fire I can flat out my land raider to remove enemy line of sight. I'm almost in tears. So without further ado, here's the list:

Tigurius
3x Grav Centurions
Land Raider Redeemer
5x Bolter Scouts
5x Bolter Scouts

Spiritseer
5x Wratihguard w/ cannons
Wave Serpent w/ scatter laser/ holo fields
5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ scatter laser/ holo fields/ shuriken cannon
5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ scatter laser/ holo fields/ shuriken cannon
Wraithknight w/ suncannon/ scatter laser/ scatter shield

What do you think my friends? A new era of cheese? Or Dairy Free?

It's very good everyone knows wave serpents are king at the moment but I think I'd prefer a pure eldar list. I feel you are trying too hard to make centurions work. Paying the land raider tax is a lot and if it gets immobilised or shot Down early on you will be very disappointed.

It would be cheesy if you took out the space marine part. And added farseers. And took out the wraithguard. Or give them flamers. Maybe make the wraithnight bare bones. The list looks fun but no cheese in it.

Not cheesy in the slightest. It would have been cheesy if you brought 6 WS with DAVU and 2 Wraithknights.

The list looks solid, but fairly easy to table, really, as it only has 34 models.

Lucarikx

i still dont see the point of dropping 600+ points on a unit that kills something from reserve when it comes in, when the centurions could kill it without outflanking, and save a turn of no shooting.

All well, I a mainly wanted an overpowered list.. Spam of one unit type isn't the most exciting. If my opponent shoots at the land raider then they're going to not be shooting at my serpents or knight. I have a ton of long range shooting that can keep up with the land raider at max speeds barreling down a flank no problem. A nice wave serpent host to maximize the Eldar aspect. With Tigurius in the picture Those centurions have some real staying power. And my land raider will have a 4++ pretty much all the time. The trick will be hiding from the bulk of my opponents army and focus firing one or two key units a turn while relying on invulnerability, heavy cover and staying out of range to keep my own forces alive. Seeing as it's an incredibly elite list I'll have to rely a lot on my good judgement to ensure that my own forces have the best fight possible. If I stay back and whittle my opponent down before I charge in and clear them from objectives. The centurions will be on the board turn one.

This list has a lot of tricks that the veteran players will be unused to, so I'm hoping to catch everyone off guard with this combination. Honestly I think about how much dakka I could put out with equal points in war walkers and I'm unimpressed. The destruction might come out to be about the same.. But the survivability difference of the centurions with divination is outrageous. The Land Raider is yet another thing to soak up the enemy's heavy shooting..

As far as competitiveness, do you see any problems with bringing this to a tournament? I think there is going to be an Eldar/Dark Eldar player, I worry he might be one of my biggest threats, but I can't figure out what force could beat this list very effectively.. Any comments on how it might fare in a competitive setting?

Why do you want an Overpowered List? Any particular reason?

Your attempts at balanced cheese results in better more well rounded lists sans cheddar.

I don't really see how this is cheesy. Why not run 3 wraithknights (without upgrades) and a squad of centurions?

I really think you want the Centurions on the table, otherwise they're not shooting for turn 1 and possibly turn 2. If you're paying that many points for a unit, you want it doing things every turn.

If you -really- want to be cheesey, just run 2 squads of 3 jetbikes for your troops and max on other stuff.

Why does everyone keep thinking my land raider won't be on the table.. It will be.. The first turn or two will likely be spent on maneuvering though.

I would like to run some jetbikes.. But I don't have the points to spare..

I only have the one wraithknight, I'd love a pair of them and the land raider, but the wave serpents are pretty overpowered as well and anyone who underestimates a well placed unit of wraithguard is going to have some major points dissapearing once they dismount.

I suppose it's balanced cheese, I would call it a cheddar combination. For the Eldar I've got as many serpents as I can fit backed up by a knight. For the space marines I have a mega raider with killer psychic powers all over it.. Two forms of cheese combined, which is unusual and unexpected when people are preparing their lists..

I want an overpowered list to win the tournament. We have some pretty tough players over here. And I wish to demonstrate my lack of caring for the lesser races by absolutely crushing them without mercy. Very Grim Dark eh?

Look, I like how your thinking of other things besides WS only spam or triptide. But that being said you are wasting 600+ points on things that won't make there points back.

You move your LR 12 inches turn one. Next turn there entire army turns and kills the entire centurion unit. Now you lost a quarter of your points and firstblood. Redeemers are bad. You will never get more that one flamer to hit. And that's when you actually get there. And who's your warlord? The spiritseer? Good, there's slay the warlord next turn. Now you have two wave serpents and a wraith knight left. Ignore the wraithknight, kill your troops. I would say most tier one lists will table this turn 4.

To make this more , id suggest dropping a few things for another LR

I just don't understand how a land raider with 4++ AND the centurions inside are going to die so easily... What could possibly kill a land raider and such tough troops that reliably? With proper play, those centurions could make back their points easily..

 Iyandenseer wrote:
I just don't understand how a land raider with 4++ AND the centurions inside are going to die so easily... What could possibly kill a land raider and such tough troops that reliably? With proper play, those centurions could make back their points easily..

Love my alpha strike here. 10 sternguard in a drop pod combat squadded. 5 combi-melta for your LR. 5 combi-plasma for the cents that fall out. My 365 point investment pays off well.

Centurions whilst good in concept are bad in the game I could easily tie up your centurions the turn they come out of the land raider for the rest of the game making them a one use only unit. Or use units that are fast and with rending to kill them in combat before you strike.

My DE would love to see this list, with only the 3 wave serpents to worry about the game would be over rather quickly. I don't know that I would even shoot at the LR first turn or 2.

There are plenty of ways to pop that LR before you get to start shooting. Centurions haven't impressed me yet, and I doubt they will. Eldar, Tau/Eldar, Tau,GK/Necrons, Dark Eldar and SM would have no problem dealing with your army. Far from cheese, sir.

What I used to run was an Iyanden list with a lot of spiritseers in serpents with wraithguard. The wraithknight. Lots of jetbikes. And something I'd always change like warp spiders or some such.

Out of the two list types, would you prefer to run the pure Eldar, or this Hybrid List.

Also that sternguard idea is fantastic.. Might have to try it some time. I was using a lot of legion of the damned with my pure space marines.

 Iyandenseer wrote:
I just don't understand how a land raider with 4++ AND the centurions inside are going to die so easily... What could possibly kill a land raider and such tough troops that reliably? With proper play, those centurions could make back their points easily..

It will take alot to kill it no doubt, but it can be done in one turn. There is always that factor of luck either way, you could save it all or they could pop it in the first shot. As for cheesy your dairy free here.

Why do you want overpowering cheese in the first place?

If something is "balanced," how can it be cheesy?

I was trying to create a super mobile, super heavy, mostly invulnerable form of cheese... But to my chagrin, I'll probably just take a wave serpent fleet to the tournament.... I'll play what's known to be cheesy if I must, I was just hoping to really maximize what's possible out of the new space marine codex and create a killer deathstar to support my wave serpents..

Guess it's back to the drawing board. Thanks though.

If you want to maximize what's possible, then do that! Don't worry about if its "cheesy," just try to figure out the best way to do what you want to do. Just go with "unconventional death star" and see if someone can suggest a better way to deliver thr unit.

I hear pedro and honour guard make a mean deathstar if you are looking for a decent deathstar but necrons eldar and daemons currently have the best deathstars

By cheesy I just mean overpowered and capable of target saturation. For instance, a lack of anti tank weaponry would cause any opponent to be crushed by this list, because no one is getting my centurions in close combat... I'll shoot them to death and charge them with my wraithknight if need be.. So there's never going to be close combat threats.. Unless I'm facing Khorne. My main worry would be potent enemy long range with high strength and low ap.

What do you guys think about the centurions on foot? Plausible? Maybe even a forward sky shield?

Honor guard could be good, the only reason I'd take Pedro would be for sternguard in drop pods all over the place, which I may move into, but for now I lack the drop pods.. and Legion of the Damned worked really well in the 4 games I tested them in. Tying up riptides, shredding scoring units, tons of fun.