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so'd like some precursor knights in my Cygnar force, but not at THAT price.

Does anyone have suggestions for cheaper alternates. I was thinking of the mantic basillians but they're a bit ugly.

I personally feel the price is fine. An full unit+the UA is 20% of a high end normal game of WMH.

There are the Templar Infantry from Fireforge games, but with the amount of time you'll have to spend getting maces for them and various other minor conversion bits and also getting the relevant cards from the PP store (also the prospect of being unable to use them in Steamroller tournaments for example), you're better off just saving up IMO.

 Grimtuff wrote:
I personally feel the price is fine. An full unit+the UA is 20% of a high end normal game of WMH.

10 metal models for £40. such a fine price [sarcasm]!

besides You can get 10 points much cheaper in the cygnar army.

 sing your life wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
I personally feel the price is fine. An full unit+the UA is 20% of a high end normal game of WMH.

10 metal models for £40. such a fine price [sarcasm]!

besides You can get 10 points much cheaper in the cygnar army.

Yeah, but are those 10pt precursor knights?

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
I personally feel the price is fine. An full unit+the UA is 20% of a high end normal game of WMH.

10 metal models for £40. such a fine price [sarcasm]!

besides You can get 10 points much cheaper in the cygnar army.

Yeah, but are those 10pt precursor knights?

You try to give advice.....

The 10pts is for a full unit + UA BTW. Also, OP, you're using RRP. Practically every stockist of WMH in the UK will have at least 10% off.

You might want to see what an online retailer here in the states like discountgamesinc.com can do shipping wise, as they sell at 35% off RRP.....

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
I personally feel the price is fine. An full unit+the UA is 20% of a high end normal game of WMH.

10 metal models for £40. such a fine price [sarcasm]!

besides You can get 10 points much cheaper in the cygnar army.

Yeah, but are those 10pt precursor knights?

No, the entire unit and attachment [£52] costs 10pts.

Grimtuff wrote:

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
I personally feel the price is fine. An full unit+the UA is 20% of a high end normal game of WMH.

10 metal models for £40. such a fine price [sarcasm]!

besides You can get 10 points much cheaper in the cygnar army.

Yeah, but are those 10pt precursor knights?

Practically every stockist of WMH in the UK will have at least 10% off.

Er, so? 10% off is still £36 for the kit [considering that even GW is charging only 22.50 for the equivalent]

 sing your life wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
I personally feel the price is fine. An full unit+the UA is 20% of a high end normal game of WMH.

10 metal models for £40. such a fine price [sarcasm]!

besides You can get 10 points much cheaper in the cygnar army.

Yeah, but are those 10pt precursor knights?

Practically every stockist of WMH in the UK will have at least 10% off.

Er, so? 10% off is still £36 for the kit [considering that even GW is charging only 22.50 for the equivalent]

I'm wondering just what the equivalent is? Because if it looks fine, they have maces, shields, heavy armour, etc, and you buy the correct warmachine bases and cards and what not, all you'd have to do is clear it with your local regular TO and you'll be fine. I mean yeah, the big events may not let you do it, but will you really be attending the Iron Gauntlet and stuff? If you are intending on it, is 10 pounds or so really worth complaining over when you will be shelling out for the expenses associated with tournaments?

 motyak wrote:

I'm wondering just what the equivalent is? Because if it looks fine, they have maces, shields, heavy armour, etc, and you buy the correct warmachine bases and cards and what not, all you'd have to do is clear it with your local regular TO and you'll be fine. I mean yeah, the big events may not let you do it, but will you really be attending the Iron Gauntlet and stuff? If you are intending on it, is 10 pounds or so really worth complaining over when you will be shelling out for the expenses associated with tournaments?

I too would like to see which kit exactly.

A quick glance through the GW website, the only models I can see being suitable are either the LOTR Dol Amroth knights (nowhere near £22.50 and also more expensive to boot) or the LOTR Minas Tirath warriors.

The best bet is still the Fireforge guys I linked earlier, though as I already said, they're a good base to build from, but they all still need weapons and shields.

I've been thinking of using the katana samurai from zenit miniatures.

 sing your life wrote:
I've been thinking of using the katana samurai from zenit miniatures.

Samurai warriors with Katanas have literally and absolutely nothing in common with Precursor Knights...

Yeah, I can't see guys in splint mail with two-handed swords being in anyway a good replacement for guys in full plate mail with maces and shields.

Tarot wrote:
Yeah, I can't see guys in splint mail with two-handed swords being in anyway a good replacement for guys in full plate mail with maces and shields.

Add in the fact a foot knight with a sword can easily be confused with a Sword Knight....

individually PP models may be slightly more expensive than GW stuff.

But the difference is with PP you only need to buy one unit. For GW you need to buy 2-3.

Anyways, I'd check online retailers and places like Amazon. I just found eMorv for 35% off a couple days ago. I've seen some deals for as much as 60% off MSRP and often free shipping with Prime. Not sure what the UK options are.

Otherwise if you find a cool alternative and your gaming group is cool with it then go for it.

Total Wargamer has them for 20% off retail. Now I've heard iffy things about them, but only if you buy GW stuff. Make of that what you will.

Wow, ease up fellas. Precursors are a pricey unit, no matter how you spin it. I know it's a knee jerk reaction to defend PP when cost comes up, but their stuff ain't cheap.

To the OP: I know the price is high, but it's a really good unit with a pretty specific aesthetic. I think you'll struggle to find alternative models with any variation at a good price. Or, if you do, they will likely not be the best looking. I'd bite the bullet and just buy them, rather than spend half as much on an alternate only to end up replacing them if you want to play competitively.

Seems that I don't have much choice..

I don't know. Individual reaper figs tend to be 5-7 USD per figure,
so that's out. What would be a GW equivalent?

Battle Pilgrims are 3 for 17.25....Not really much better.

Can you build an entire unit of chaos warriors with shield and
hammer? I mean, it's a close second...

 malfred wrote:


Can you build an entire unit of chaos warriors with shield and
hammer? I mean, it's a close second...

The problem there is 2 of the hammers come in the left hand (for a second CCW option), so a bit of fudging is required to get them into the correct hand so the guy can have a shield too. Doable, but tricky.

 malfred wrote:


Can you build an entire unit of chaos warriors with shield and
hammer? I mean, it's a close second...

Nah, too chaosy.

 sing your life wrote:

 malfred wrote:


Can you build an entire unit of chaos warriors with shield and
hammer? I mean, it's a close second...

Nah, too chaosy.

So what was the 22.50 equivalent from GW? I think a few of us are pretty interested to hear the idea you had bouncing around for that one.

 motyak wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 malfred wrote:


Can you build an entire unit of chaos warriors with shield and
hammer? I mean, it's a close second...

Nah, too chaosy.

So what was the 22.50 equivalent from GW? I think a few of us are pretty interested to hear the idea you had bouncing around for that one.

The tactical marine box [when the understand the discount online store put in], obviosuly.

 sing your life wrote:

 motyak wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 malfred wrote:


Can you build an entire unit of chaos warriors with shield and
hammer? I mean, it's a close second...

Nah, too chaosy.

So what was the 22.50 equivalent from GW? I think a few of us are pretty interested to hear the idea you had bouncing around for that one.

The tactical marine box [when the understand the discount online store put in], obviosuly.

I take it you are joking? They would be an awful stand in, no melee weapons except for the sergeant, no shields of any kind, just...an awful stand in.

 motyak wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 motyak wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 malfred wrote:


Can you build an entire unit of chaos warriors with shield and
hammer? I mean, it's a close second...

Nah, too chaosy.

So what was the 22.50 equivalent from GW? I think a few of us are pretty interested to hear the idea you had bouncing around for that one.

The tactical marine box [when the understand the discount online store put in], obviosuly.

I take it you are joking? They would be an awful stand in, no melee weapons except for the sergeant, no shields of any kind, just...an awful stand in.

Actually I was comparing the PK prices to them.

Oh right, when you said equivalent I thought you meant an equivalent unit as in one you were looking at to stand in. Before you compare them 1-1 with regards to proce, a full precursor unit with UA is 1/5 of a regular tournament army, if we take a regular tournament army for 40K at 1750 points (1850 may be more accurate, but lets go with 1750) and you take a marine unit in that army, it is worth a lot less than 1/5 of it, and it doesn't come with every option of the unit (unless the new box now includes all possible heavy and special weapons?) necessitating spending on extra bits and pieces. So it isn't as simple as just saying these 10 models are cheaper than the other 10 models.

 motyak wrote:
Oh right, when you said equivalent I thought you meant an equivalent unit as in one you were looking at to stand in. Before you compare them 1-1 with regards to proce, a full precursor unit with UA is 1/5 of a regular tournament army, if we take a regular tournament army for 40K at 1750 points (1850 may be more accurate, but lets go with 1750) and you take a marine unit in that army, it is worth a lot less than 1/5 of it, and it doesn't come with every option of the unit (unless the new box now includes all possible heavy and special weapons?) necessitating spending on extra bits and pieces. So it isn't as simple as just saying these 10 models are cheaper than the other 10 models.

Already pointed that out. Got a sarcastic reply for my troubles. Not sure why I bother...

Okay so I had a look at reaper and managed to get together an equivalent unit for about £30

 sing your life wrote:

 malfred wrote:


Can you build an entire unit of chaos warriors with shield and
hammer? I mean, it's a close second...

Nah, too chaosy.

Oh, I agree, but I'm trying to find an equivalent that is similar enough (equipment wise) for you hehe.

I guess this is like the project management rule.

Proxies can be cheaper, close in theme, or close in equipment, but good luck
finding one that's all three?

PP models are expensive, but when you consider you don't need to buy as many it all ends up being the same or slightly cheaper than GW.

And while casual gamers won't care about alternate models, people at tournaments will usually enforce the rules on having to use at least 50% of the original model. And you are really missing out on a lot by not attending tournaments for Warmachine. its not anything like a GW tournament.

 malfred wrote:

I guess this is like the project management rule.

Proxies can be cheaper, close in theme, or close in equipment, but good luck
finding one that's all three?

This has been my experience with cool proxies. The one area that I have been able to hit all three though tends to be solos. And generally merc solos. I found an interesting bard model to be "rhupert" and eiryss can be replaced by a lot of elf/ranger types.

I also picked up a small clockwork minion a long time ago (before I even started playing warmachine) that ended up being a great squire for my cygnar.