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so i wanted to take some wraith guard in my list and stay competitive please give me advice or things that i should take out
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HQ - 3 spiritseers
HQ- farseer,

troops- --10 wraith guard
troops--- 5 dire avengers / wave serpent / holo fields, TL SL
troops ---5 dire avengers / wave serpent / holo fields, TL SL
troops ---5 dire avengers / wave serpent / holo fields, TL SL
troops ----5 dire avengers / wave serpent / holo fields, TL SL

heavy- -- Wraithknight / suncannon , SL

the farseer and 3 seers go with the guard and spread out marching down the field while wave serpents and wraithknight provide cover fire and try to take out my targets of opportunity

. i will be testing this list in the next 15 hours agiants a chaos marine player with guard allies he will have is tournament list so i hope i do good but ill let my dakka peeps know if it works or not.
thanks in advance for any advice or harsh C&C

seams good. any list is good with 4+ wave serpents

Since the new codex has given us the possibility of fast WG, I see no point in walking them. Break them into two units of 5 I would remove two unite of DA to moved their Serps to the WG. That frees 130 points. If you have bikes they roll into that spot well. Guardians or rangers make decent backfield obj campers as well.

Scythes on one unit of WG give more tactical flexibility as well. I am not 100% sold on multiple seers unless you are trying to ensure healing on a big MC.

And it involves converting and makes your list more traditional,but for 20 points the jetbike upgrade to the Fraser is the best value in the game

okay so with both opinion's i have come up with this list

HQ- 2 spiritseer's
HQ- Eldrad ( yes i know a farseer is cheaper and does about the same)

troops- 5 wraithguard with D-scythes / waveserpent /tl sl / holo/
troops- 5 wraithguard / waveserpent /tl sl / holo/
troops- 5 DA with wave serpent /Tl-SL / holo
troops- 5 DA with wave serpent /Tl-SL / holo
troops- 3 jetbikes

heavy- Wraithknight /suncannon & shield / SL

i like what eldrad can bring to the table with redeploy and his other toys .

 Lovechunks wrote:
okay so with both opinion's i have come up with this list

HQ- 2 spiritseer's
HQ- Eldrad ( yes i know a farseer is cheaper and does about the same)

troops- 5 wraithguard with D-scythes / waveserpent /tl sl / holo/
troops- 5 wraithguard / waveserpent /tl sl / holo/
troops- 5 DA with wave serpent /Tl-SL / holo
troops- 5 DA with wave serpent /Tl-SL / holo
troops- 3 jetbikes

heavy- Wraithknight /suncannon & shield / SL

i like what eldrad can bring to the table with redeploy and his other toys .

Why heavy- Wraithknight /suncannon & shield / SL? Standard load out is much cheaper, just use farseerer to TL the D cannons all game long.

mainly for the tl 3 blast's for anti horde i have been considering the stock build for awhile now if i do drop down to a stock it would free up 60points which i would use to get 4 cannons on those undersides of the serpents then have 20 left over points

I would say combine the two dire avengers for more firepower. That is my opinion anyways. And what is your plan for the jetbikes?

Drop Eldrad he is I'm afraid pretty useless. Maybe a Mantle seer? But I don't see this list needing a Farseer at all nearly everything is twin linked or does roll to hit. The one unit that does can get rerolls of 1s to hit anyway so what is the point?

So yeah just drop the Farseer all together in this list. Get another Serpent.

5 Serpents, 2 loaded with death 2 Spiritseer the WraithKnight (make him your warlord) and you should be gravy. The only addition would be to put Vectored Engines on the D-Scuthe Serpent. It allows you to turn your rear to the enemy to disembark the Wraithguard then turn back to show the shield in the shooting phase . Basically netting you 6" extra threat range on your D-Scythes.