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HQ- Abbadon
Biker lord of Tzeentch, VotLW, sigil, crucible,
hands of darkness, spineshiver, skull, gift of mutation. Gaaaah 300pts

Troops- Cultists 2x10 basic
CSM 5 w/meltagun VotLW

Fast- Spawn Nurgle x1
Bikers x4 champ with PS 2x flamers
Heldrake bale flamer

Heavy- Havocs 3x autocannon 1x heavy bolter
2 oblits
2 oblits VotLW on all heavies

Elite- 3 terminators 2x combi melta w/ lightning claw VotLW
Land raider w/dirge caster attached.

I'm debating to drop skull for another cultist squad. But only 1/3 of missions use ONLY troops. I have scoring for another 1/3.
I like the mobility of ID on a bike and even vs 2+3++ my guy should win.
Plenty of MEQ killers and Abby can hunt TEQ. As always AA is toughest to fill, but 4 oblits and 6 AC should do Something.

I could drop spawn, skull, flamers and M. Gun for something. I just don't know what.



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Everything has VotLW whether I remembered to write it or not.

Why are you doing a BL supplement set up? You are using abbadon as the HQ/warlord and not even using Chosen as troop choices-dont need abbadon for this, and not even pimping out the termies with the special squad deal, you're giving every unit VotLW just for artefacts on one guy. The tax of VotLW is costing you 40 points.

The chaos lord is 300 points and isn't that great for the points. Yea he doesn't die from ID and the crucible is worth it since he is a MoT lord, but you're just putting all the artefacts you can on the guy. He still has 3 wounds at T4 3++ saves which means he has a nice save but most people will be able to shoot and hurt him (reroll a 1? still a 33% chance of rolling another 1 or 2 on the next throw.) - I'd rather have a MoN biker without the crucible, the GoM, spineshiver, and possibly the skull. Compare your lord with a BL 300 point DP, the DP has: wings, PA, spineshiver, DoT, Skull. DP will always attack first at I9, has WS 9, 5 basic attack; using smash he is hitting at str 10 AP2 for 3-9 attacks plus other modifiers (+1 for charge if he charges, +1 basic for hammer of wrath,etc)

Give those bikers some marks!

you are lacking in troops

abbadon is great and all in CC, but he is expensive. make sure to make his points back

If you want to do an anti-SM list do the normal codex giving specific units VotLW and MoK/MoN

If you plan to use Abaddon and a MoT HQ, then I recommend a Sorc with MoT, disc of tzeentch and bbos which will roast marines in cover.

The MoT sorc now unlocks Thousand Sons and their ap3 inferno bolters to melt marine power armor.

Put Abaddon in a land raider with a regular csm squad, skip the bolter for close combat weapons and possibly flamers or meltaguns for assault shooting. His bubble now emanates from the hull of the land raider thereby maximizing his area of effect. Then screen the land raider using 2 squads of foot slogging Thousand Sons. Or if you want speed, put those Thousand sons into rhinos but still use the rhinos to protect the land raider. 1st turn you want to protect the rhinos by putting the land raider in front of them. After first blood is won or lost, provide cover for the land raider using rhinos.

Drop the bikers and go with more spawns to provide more forward push or... I hate advising this but 1 MOAR DRAAAAAAAAKE!!! It will bbq marine power armor.

 Filch wrote:
If you plan to use Abaddon and a MoT HQ, then I recommend a Sorc with MoT, disc of tzeentch and bbos which will roast marines in cover.

He's using the BL supplement, can't mix and match artefacts so no BBoS. Also can't do sorc as an ally if you want to unlock Tsons as troop choices (thats only if the sorc is in the primary detachment)


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Nvm, he doesn't have any other artefacts on anyone besides the Lord, he'd be using the regular codex

Bildini wrote:
HQ- Abbadon
Biker lord of Tzeentch, VotLW, sigil, crucible,
hands of darkness, spineshiver, skull, gift of mutation. Gaaaah 300pts

Troops- Cultists 2x10 basic
CSM 5 w/meltagun VotLW

Fast- Spawn Nurgle x11 Spawn is awaste of time, make it 5 w/ MON
Bikers x4 champ with PS 2x flamers
Heldrake bale flamer

Heavy- Havocs 3x autocannon 1x heavy bolter What does a HB do for you????
2 oblitsNeed MoN
2 oblits VotLW on all heaviesNeed MoN

Elite- 3 terminators 2x combi melta w/ lightning claw VotLW
Land raider w/dirge caster attached. Needs extra armor and dozer blade

I'm debating to drop skull for another cultist squad. But only 1/3 of missions use ONLY troops. I have scoring for another 1/3.
I like the mobility of ID on a bike and even vs 2+3++ my guy should win.
Plenty of MEQ killers and Abby can hunt TEQ. As always AA is toughest to fill, but 4 oblits and 6 AC should do Something.

I could drop spawn, skull, flamers and M. Gun for something. I just don't know what.



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Everything has VotLW whether I remembered to write it or not.

Clarify. Only using Black Legion Supplement and I really want to make the hands of darkness work haha.

CHANGES
HQ- dropped GoM and skull
Troops- dropped CSM added 2 cultists
Fast- added spawn, 2 total with Nurgle.
Heavy- dropped heavy bolter added AC, thought HB was 5pts not 10...
Turned 1 squad oblits into Nurgle.

I can't mark the bikers or else tzeentch lord can't join.

I try to take things I read suck and make them work. Check my triple defiler list, it's raping. thank you everyone for comments. I'll play with Nurgle biker lord and bikes, dropping crucible.