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First of all, does the Aegis actually exist?
So If I am base to base with the line am I base to base with whatever is touching the line on the other side or would I have to be on top of the line in order to be base to base?

So if you are allowed to stand on the aegis, would that auto grant a 4+ save?
As normally if you are in area terrain you auto get 5+, but is that the same for the line?

 Makutsu wrote:
First of all, does the Aegis actually exist?
So If I am base to base with the line am I base to base with whatever is touching the line on the other side or would I have to be on top of the line in order to be base to base?

So if you are allowed to stand on the aegis, would that auto grant a 4+ save?
As normally if you are in area terrain you auto get 5+, but is that the same for the line?

1)Yes there is an official model:
2) see the rules for Defensive lines in the BRB(Page 104).
3) If you could get your model on top(WMS), then there is no cover save from it as it is not area terrain and it does not block 25% LOS to your model.
4) as said in 3 it is not area terrain.

unfortuntaly it says that it works the same as barricades and walls so as long as 1 of his models in the unit are behind it the others can stand on top of it or even in front of it within 2" and still be considered in cover.

 Lemartes12 wrote:
unfortuntaly it says that it works the same as barricades and walls so as long as 1 of his models in the unit are behind it the others can stand on top of it or even in front of it within 2" and still be considered in cover.

I am not sure what you are getting at, but it seems incorrect, can you clarify what you mean. Thanks.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Lemartes12 wrote:
unfortuntaly it says that it works the same as barricades and walls so as long as 1 of his models in the unit are behind it the others can stand on top of it or even in front of it within 2" and still be considered in cover.

I am not sure what you are getting at, but it seems incorrect, can you clarify what you mean. Thanks.

So long as one model has cover from at least one model in the firing unit, the entire unit can benefit from that model's cover save unless your opponent declares they are focus firing, which they should. It is often misplayed.

 Zagman wrote:
So long as one model has cover from at least one model in the firing unit, the entire unit has cover at that save unless your opponent declares they are focus firing, which they should. It is often misplayed.

Incorrect, sorry, see pages 18 & 19, specifically the diagram on page 19 where the models in blue get no cover save despite the rest of the unit being in cover.

 Zagman wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Lemartes12 wrote:
unfortuntaly it says that it works the same as barricades and walls so as long as 1 of his models in the unit are behind it the others can stand on top of it or even in front of it within 2" and still be considered in cover.

I am not sure what you are getting at, but it seems incorrect, can you clarify what you mean. Thanks.

So long as one model [a model that has had a wound allocated to it] has cover from at least one model in the firing unit, the entire unit [That model] has cover at that save unless your opponent declares they are focus firing, which they should. It is often misplayed.

Fixed that for you to make it correct.

[a model that is allocated a wound]

read the rules for walls and barricades pg 104

 Lemartes12 wrote:
read the rules for walls and barricades pg 104

If a model is in cover behind a barricade or wall, it has a 4+ cover save.

 Quanar wrote:

 Zagman wrote:
So long as one model has cover from at least one model in the firing unit, the entire unit has cover at that save unless your opponent declares they are focus firing, which they should. It is often misplayed.

Incorrect, sorry, see pages 18 & 19, specifically the diagram on page 19 where the models in blue get no cover save despite the rest of the unit being in cover.

And if the the model in cover is the closest model wounds are still allocated and resolved against that model with its cover save. How I worded the previous statement was very poor and not what I meant. I should have said "entire unit can benefit from that model's cover save".


Edit: Wow, didn't take people long to jump on my mistake.

How is the model behind the wall closer than the models standing on the wall? surely that means the enemy is on the wrong side of the wall?

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 Zagman wrote:
Edit: Wow, didn't take people long to jump on my mistake.

Unfortunately, that's just what some of us are like - there's a part of the brain that 'gets off' on correcting people (including me apparently, so sorry my brain is an arse (figuratively)).

 Quanar wrote:
How is the model behind the wall closer than the models standing on the wall? surely that means the enemy is on the wrong side of the wall?

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Best depiction. And it doesn't matter as it got reformatted for me. Basic curved wall.

Or simply not directly in front of the unit.

 Zagman wrote:

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Best depiction. And it doesn't matter as it got reformatted for me. Basic curved wall.

A fair point. Conceded.

 Zagman wrote:

 Quanar wrote:
How is the model behind the wall closer than the models standing on the wall? surely that means the enemy is on the wrong side of the wall?

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Best depiction. And it doesn't matter as it got reformatted for me. Basic curved wall.

Yes, so when you are allocating the wounds, the first wound goes to the model beyond the wall = no cover save.

The next wound goes to the model on the wall(assuming the first wound killed the model in front of the wall) = no cover save.

The third wound goes to a model behind the wall = Cover save.

Maybe you should re-read and understand who wound allocation works first eh?

Since this is getting off topic, I want to say that I'm actually curious if I base with the line and the Quad Gun is touching the line can I fire the Quad gun?

Only if you are also in base contact with the gun.

Assault allowances do not extend to anything else.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

 Zagman wrote:

 Quanar wrote:
How is the model behind the wall closer than the models standing on the wall? surely that means the enemy is on the wrong side of the wall?

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Best depiction. And it doesn't matter as it got reformatted for me. Basic curved wall.

Yes, so when you are allocating the wounds, the first wound goes to the model beyond the wall = no cover save.

The next wound goes to the model on the wall(assuming the first wound killed the model in front of the wall) = no cover save.

The third wound goes to a model behind the wall = Cover save.

Maybe you should re-read and understand who wound allocation works first eh?

Thank you for failing to read what I wrote, then condescendingly reiterating my point.

You failed to see the fact that my depiction was reformated. And failed to read my post about how the closest model is the one behind the aegis and benefits from the cover save. And how without focus fire you would resolve wounds against that model.

Thank you for a condescending troll.

I was trying to help your point; with clear and concise point by point explanations.

But no it's cool I must have been trolling.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

 Makutsu wrote:
First of all, does the Aegis actually exist?
So If I am base to base with the line am I base to base with whatever is touching the line on the other side or would I have to be on top of the line in order to be base to base?

So if you are allowed to stand on the aegis, would that auto grant a 4+ save?
As normally if you are in area terrain you auto get 5+, but is that the same for the line?

1)Yes there is an official model:
2) see the rules for Defensive lines in the BRB(Page 104).
3) If you could get your model on top(WMS), then there is no cover save from it as it is not area terrain and it does not block 25% LOS to your model.
4) as said in 3 it is not area terrain.

WMS does not allow for such stupidity. Only if the model could be placed does WMS apply. WMS is more for the crazy inclines of the battle board and other terrain with similar uneaven and unsafe features. I seriously don't get where people are thinking that WMS is a justification for ridiculous attempted model placement.

That aside, spot on.

I'm curious where you draw the line between "crazy" and "ridiculous", since that's apparently the distinction between where you think WMS applies (crazy) and does not (ridiculous).

 Bausk wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

 Makutsu wrote:
First of all, does the Aegis actually exist?
So If I am base to base with the line am I base to base with whatever is touching the line on the other side or would I have to be on top of the line in order to be base to base?

So if you are allowed to stand on the aegis, would that auto grant a 4+ save?
As normally if you are in area terrain you auto get 5+, but is that the same for the line?

1)Yes there is an official model:
2) see the rules for Defensive lines in the BRB(Page 104).
3) If you could get your model on top(WMS), then there is no cover save from it as it is not area terrain and it does not block 25% LOS to your model.
4) as said in 3 it is not area terrain.

WMS does not allow for such stupidity. Only if the model could be placed does WMS apply. WMS is more for the crazy inclines of the battle board and other terrain with similar uneaven and unsafe features. I seriously don't get where people are thinking that WMS is a justification for ridiculous attempted model placement.

That aside, spot on.

Actually WMS does allow for "such stupidity" as you put it.

I can balance a model on top of the ADL, in fact I have.

 Bausk wrote:
WMS does not allow for such stupidity. Only if the model could be placed does WMS apply. WMS is more for the crazy inclines of the battle board and other terrain with similar uneaven and unsafe features. I seriously don't get where people are thinking that WMS is a justification for ridiculous attempted model placement..

WMS allows you to place a model in a position where they could potentially stand, but the terrain makes it unsuitable to actually put the model there. Within that context, I see absolutely no problem with a model WMSing on top of a wall, provided the wall is thick enough for them to conceivably stand there.

 insaniak wrote:

 Bausk wrote:
WMS does not allow for such stupidity. Only if the model could be placed does WMS apply. WMS is more for the crazy inclines of the battle board and other terrain with similar uneaven and unsafe features. I seriously don't get where people are thinking that WMS is a justification for ridiculous attempted model placement..

WMS allows you to place a model in a position where they could potentially stand, but the terrain makes it unsuitable to actually put the model there. Within that context, I see absolutely no problem with a model WMSing on top of a wall, provided the wall is thick enough for them to conceivably stand there.

Thick wall yes, even one thats jagged and uneven, as the base can be placed there with no effort but can easily be knocked down so WMS would apply. ADL no as you'd have to precariously balance a model on it in the first place. Just as ridiculous as hanging a model by its weapon arm on the outside of the third floor of a ruin with its base touching nothing.

 Bausk wrote:
Thick wall yes, even one thats jagged and uneven, as the base can be placed there with no effort but can easily be knocked down so WMS would apply. ADL no as you'd have to precariously balance a model on it in the first place.

There is no requirement in the rules to physically balance the model there.

And going by some of the stuff that I climbed around on as a young-un, the ADL looks plenty wide enough compared to the models for someone to balance on it, particularly on a corner.

Just as ridiculous as hanging a model by its weapon arm on the outside of the third floor of a ruin with its base touching nothing.

Not even remotely the same thing, since the model would be unable to have moved to this location in the first place.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
I was trying to help your point; with clear and concise point by point explanations.

But no it's cool I must have been trolling.

No, you were attempting to insult me by telling me to reread the understand the rules when in fact I had no need to. A needless insult following failing to read a post would constitute trolling.

 Quanar wrote:

 Lemartes12 wrote:
read the rules for walls and barricades pg 104

If a model is in cover behind a barricade or wall, it has a 4+ cover save.

oops my bad read that part wrong.

{Edit} Nevermind

 Zagman wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
I was trying to help your point; with clear and concise point by point explanations.

But no it's cool I must have been trolling.

No, you were attempting to insult me by telling me to reread the understand the rules when in fact I had no need to. A needless insult following failing to read a post would constitute trolling.

I think you might need to settle down there Zagman, he was backing up your post. The comment where Kommissar Kel says I think you need to re-read the rules was referring to the the post from Quanar.