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Ok So its a spammy list but I think it has enough of everything to be able to deal with basically all threats.

Kahn, bike

4X 8 Bikes, 2 Grav guns
2X 6 Bikes, 2 Grav guns

2X Stormtalon, typhoon

3X Thunderfire cannon

What do you guys think? its 45 bikes running around with ALLOT of AP1 and allot of bolter fire and with the new thunderfires this list should be able to take out ALLOT. it hits like a ton of bricks and with kahn its on top of you turn 1. Even if its hammer and anvil I have a threat range of 66 inches turn one with the grav guns, 24 inches in + 12 inch scout + 12 inch move + 18 inch range with the guns. Allot of high ap ignores cover will be deadly to this list but I think playing it smart will still work out well.

And then your opponent puts their objectives on 2nd floor in some ruins, sits there with all his troops and goes to ground all game long.

I think there is more then enough firepower to root him out, that and most tournaments don't allow you to put them on stories or impassible terrain.

 Araenion wrote:
And then your opponent puts their objectives on 2nd floor in some ruins, sits there with all his troops and goes to ground all game long.

Between a trio of Thunderfire Cannons and a pair of Storm Talons I don't think this is going to be much of an issue.

But whatever, if this really was a problem he could easily turn a Bike Squad into a Tactical squad and upgrade a Storm Talon to a Raven, so he can snatch objectives in the late game.

I'm not trying to rain on your bikearade. I just pointed out one possible weakness in your list. 3 tfc are great for clearing objectives, but honestly, with that many bikes, they'll start killing their teammates. 45 bikes, I think, is too many on a normal sized map. It's a scary, scary list, but a bit one sided and has a few weaknesses as such.

A tac squad or two for holding home objectives, or even scout squad or two should work very well for the list. However, one list that this list would absolutely destroy is Serpent spam. I'm glad to see that, tbh. I play Eldar, so I hated seeing a great army with so many builds open to it get shoehorned into a monobuild of cheese. Hopefully that will happen less and less with each new army.

Great list. I'd imagine that as it is, you'd hit really hard against most armies.

However, i'd try and get an attack bike in the 8 man squads. Just gives me the option to combat squad. That is personal preference more than anything.

The lack of melta might cause issues. STs aren't going to be around untill atleast T2. And wasting grav shots on tanks isn't going to benifit you much.

Not bad. I would trade out the 4 extra bikes for combi-gravs on each squad. Having 1 turn where you can put out 9 grave shots is huge.

I also prefer Stormravens for my AA over stormtalons. This being due to the need to kill helldrakes dead when they come on. If you dropped a single TFC and stormtalon you would have the slot and points for a stormraven. This could also carry a scout/TAC unit if you need some 2 floor ruins scoring.

BTW the real danger place for bike lists is the middle floors of a 3+ floor ruin. Especially if that floor has solid walls. I have several times seen ruins that the unit on the 2nd or 3rd floor cannot be seen and they have a roof and so cannot be hurt by a barrage weapon. These are the units that you need some upper floor scoring. Not being able to score these types of objectives can be a huge disadvantage in a close game.

Can bikes combat squad if they are 8 + a mm attack bike?

I would go down to 1 TFC since the bikes are unlikely to benifit from the techmarine improving cover and if it drifts onto bikes it's going to hit them multiple times..

Lightdrow wrote:


What do you guys think?

I think cut/copy/paste shooty ork tide fires a lot of shots at your limited anti-horde options. I'm unfamiliar with marine loadouts but with all dat speed wouldn't at least one flamer be nice somewhere?

yes they can combat squad like that.

He's got 45 to 90 tl bolter shots, 3 tf cannons, 8 tl bs5 assault cannon shots and either 4 st 8 bs 5 or 4 st 4 blast bs 5 shots for anti horde.

Poly Ranger wrote:
He's got 45 to 90 tl bolter shots, 3 tf cannons, 8 tl bs5 assault cannon shots and either 4 st 8 bs 5 or 4 st 4 blast bs 5 shots for anti horde.

Oh well now that you put it like that..

:-p