Triple sorceror list CSM 1850

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**Bildini**

Hq- Sorceror tzeentch on bike, sigil, gift, last memory, force staff, spell familiar, VotLW, Warlord LVL 4
Sorceror tzeentch on bike, sigil, scrolls, force staff, spell familiar LVL 3
Sorceror tzeentch on bike, sigil, force staff LVL 3

Troops- 1 cultists squad 10 auto gun ccw
1 cultists squad 10 auto gun ccw
1 cultists squad 10 auto gun ccw
Tsons squad 4 w/ 1 sorc
Tsons squad 4w/ 1 sorc

Fast- heldrake w/bale flamer
4 bikers 2/meltas champ w/melta bombs

Heavy- Havocs w/4AC and VotLW
Havocs w/4AC
2x Maulerfiends

**Guitarquero**

you dont get access to double FoC unless you have 2000 points? I believe i am correct on this..
Whats last Memory?
Aswell you cant make your Sorc's level 4 unless thats Ahriman im assuming.
how big are the thousand son sqauds? 10 man 5 man?
how big are your cultist sqauds
looks like an alright list sorc's are pretty fun and interesting, putting them all on bikes.

**Opera**

Chaos Space Marines can take Black Legion allies and vice versa... No need for double FOC

**Bildini**

Last memory of uranythos adds another mastery level along with a 1warp charge 6" nova 2 warp charge 12" 3 warp charge 18" nova assault 2d6 S4 AP5 ignore cover blind. That's why mastery level 4.

Tsons are 5 man bare bones
Cultists are 10 man bare, besides 1 flamer squad

**Brometheus**

Level 3s are a waste of points. You might be upset when you end up with 2-3 Witchfires don't you think?

I would!

Why scrolls?

I don't think CSM need flamers with the Drakes. They are wasted points on CSM and Cultists.. Bikes should always have Melta because of the super cool point drop they got.

**Bildini**

Last memory is so fun

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Meh I would, a bit. But it means versatility. 1 roll on tzeentch where every thing has a purpose- Doombolt, breath and primaris. The other 2 on bio/tele. I won't be bummed. Likely ensures I get to activate force weapons

**chillis**

All your sorcerers need spell familiar I'd say. You have GoM on one sorcerer twice, AC havocs do not need VotLW if you make your BL sorcerer the Allied detachment. You also don't have many troop models in your army, little light. Flamers won't be needed and should be melta as Bro suggested. If you really focused your army on sorcerers could switch out one for Ahriman for master of deception and multiple witchfire- but that puts most of your points in HQ's

**Brometheus**

Fair enough!

**Bildini**

Scrolls is just fun lol I love the thought of it...not much more. It's 45pts of pure fun and 0 competitive

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If I was going to a tourney, I'd drop them. But just competitive fun. Hells ya ill roll with them

**Brometheus**

Absolutely. Scrolls is really fun on a Tzeentch Level 1 with Fateweaver in the list. It gives you some play when you roll powers you A. can't get or B. don't want.

Super fun to have Perfect Timing on Tsons. It's the only way!

**chillis**

Also, may I suggest giving the BL sorcerer terminator armor instead of SoC and getting a MoT squad of terminators to deepstrike with him?

**Bildini**

Good call on melta bikers. Don't have the points for spell familiar on 3rd. Although I could drop gift on the not warlord guy.

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Termies are soooo expensive (says the guy playing scrolls)

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Also have to have VotLW on 1 havoc squad since allies can only use 1 heavy slot.

**chillis**

Haha yea.... just imagine though, deepstriking the level 4 sorcerer with terminators, doing a blessing and then an 18" nova that possibly makes everyone WS and BS1, and then just charging in for the kill

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oops you're right, i thought you only had one maulerfiend

**Bildini**

That deep striking does sound cool. Can't bless or maledict the turn you deep strike though. But I will be checking that memory striking nonsense! That sounds fun

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Dude. I can drop 1 cultist squad, I'm not tooooo worried about light troops choices bc there's do much I think they need to worry about elsewhere. Anyways

-1 cultist squad
+3 terminators 2w/ c. Melta
Sorc terminator LVL 3, including boost from memory, spell familiar, tzeentch, melta bombs.

Worth it I think.

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They need to FAQ blind hits vehicles so it's worth a damn.

**chillis**

Is this the whole movement phase manifestation? because you can from my understanding of the 7th page of the Errata. -I can easily be wrong (I often am)

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Also, do not run the last memory sorc if you're going up against a tau farsight enclave. all the suits are impervious to Blind

**Bildini**

I never count on blind. Ever.

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I'll read the errata tmw

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Q: Blessings are manifested ‘at the start of the Psyker’s Movement phase’ – does this mean they happen simultaneously with Reserves rolls, Outflanking rolls etc and if so which is resolved first? (p68) A: They do occur simultaneously – as such, the player whose turn it is decides in what order these things occur as per page 9 of the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook.

I think this still means you can't deep strike, which is moving and before deep striking they're not able to cast. After you've deep struck in you're no longer at the beginning of Their movement phase.

Any other reads on it or tournament play with it?