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HQ:
- Belial - 190 (deep strikes)
- 5 Deathwing Command Squad - 335 (deep strikes with Belial)
+ 1x CF
+ 1x CML
+ SoF

Elites:
- 8 Deathwing Knights (in LRC) - 373

Heavy support:
- Land Rider Crusader - 290
+ DWV
+ MM

Troops:
- 5 Tactical Squad (in DP) - 95
+1x ML+Flakk

- 5 Tactical Squad (in DP) - 95
+ 1x ML+Flakk

- Scout Squad - 70
+ 4x SR
+ 1x ML

Dedicated Transport:
- Drop Pod - 50
+ DL

It clocks at 1498 pkt. Any comments? It's my first try of making army list after 10-year-break from wargaming, I would really appreciate any feedback.

Hey

Deathwing Knights are great for hordes of infantry and the occasional big thing.. but after fighting against Dark Angels (one of my two primary opponents) and the plethora of goodies they can bring to the table, I am under the impression that 5man units of Deathwing with a Cyclone ML are better Troops if you take Belial.

Also, if you don't take terminators with him, you need to take a different HQ.. But he does have nifty abilities that can make opponents choose between his unit and the LRC.

The Flakk on the tactical marines is nice, but they will "go to sleep" quickly vs. even the smallest enemy rapid fire.

To be fair- This list is absolutely effective at 1500... I don't want to get charged by that unit from the LRC. Let me know how the list does. I do believe that Land Raiders are best when taken in pairs, like most special vehicles (vindicators, baal preds etc). Looking good.

Hi,
Thanks for your suggestions! You're right about Belial, I only took him to be able to field DW command squad (and maybe to avoid sccater when I'll deep strike with them, so i can position my SoF to cover all units) but i forgot that I can take them if I have any HQ in terminator armour. So I'm thinking about librarian now, he clocks at 130 pts with terminator armour and second level of mastery, leaving me with 60 free points for some extra upgrades.

I do believe that Land Raiders are best when taken in pairs, like most special vehicles (vindicators, baal preds etc)

Could you elaborate on that? Should I know something that I don't? Or it's just a general observation (like "if they destroy one, I still have the other?")

It's just an observation, I can't back it up with anything concrete other than I have not really seen a single Land Raider last past a turn or two against most opponents. I know my list personally can't really take one out unless I glance it to death or throw screamers at it, so a single one is hard for me to get rid of.

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I will try my list this week and share to you how it went. For now it looks like this:

HQ:
- Librarian 135
+ mastery lvl 2
+ terminator armour
+ TH/SS

- 5 Deathwing Command Squad - 340 (deep strikes with Librarian)
+ 1x CF
+ 1x CML
+ 1x TH/SS
+ SoF

Elites:
- 8 Deathwing Knights (in LRC) - 373

Heavy support:
- Land Rider Crusader - 290
+ DWV
+ MM

Troops:
- 5 Tactical Squad (in DP) - 95
+1x ML+Flakk

- 5 Tactical Squad (in DP) - 95
+ 1x ML+Flakk

- Scout Squad - 95
+ 5x CC
+ 4x SR
+ 1x ML +Flakk

Dedicated Transport:
- Drop Pod - 50
+ DL

I'm left with 27 pts. If i wont find anything usefull to buy for it i'l just make tactical sergeants vets or something.

Your librarian cannot be given a SS/TH. I'd give him a force axe or force stave (mace) instead and either a combi-weapon or the Lion's Roar (twin-linked plasma cannon on drop is lolz). You don't want him in cc long anyway.

For your command squad, I would give them more TH/SS, as they are going to be a huge bullet magnet when toting around taht banner. 2+,3++ FNP terminators are the best thing I can think of survivability wise haha. I compose a squad like this:

3xTH/SS (one of these holds the banner)
Champion w/ halberd (could also be another TH/SS)
- Assault Cannon

It's a disgusting unit, and the champion can take challenges and usually win, keeping your librarian safe. Give that squad divination and you have a 2+, 3++ FNP terminator squad all armed with TH/SS or an initiative striking power axe with re-rolls to hit... yeah... You could also use a CML instead of Assault Cannon, it's really your preference (and you could also give him a TH/SS for extra survivability) It's more expensive, but you have a few points to spare anyways.

If you keep this squad nearby, they can also give FNP to those knights, which is double gross.

The main problem I see here is that you have 15 models that can score. they are going to die and you will lose when they do. I might suggest dropping some of the knights (maybe down to 5 or 6 total) and then boosting up some of those tactical squad numbers. You can also then move the librarian into the knights squad in the LRC to be using prescience on whatever needs it (the land raider perhaps) and have the FNP terminators teleport in where you need them most. Just a few ideas.

- VardenV2

A note on the Double Land Raider thing. Its primarily to make your opponent have to pick and choose which threat he wants to deal with, and hopefully become distraught and not apply enough fire to take either out. Also, there will generally be something killy inside both, so if one makes it to his lines it should generally be enough to make him cry. Every bit of fire he throws at the rolling bunkers (LR's) is something that the remainder of your troops are not taking. Good times all around!

I agree with Varden on the CS, the halberd is a must for 5 pts and the assault cannon I have found to be more consistent when shooting with the TL rule after deepstrike.

Good luck, and post here on how the list does! We are all curious :p

Thanks for the advices!
For now i will try my current list + extra TH/SS and halberd on command squad. I won't exchange knights for tacticals beacuse I want to test how LRC filled with them will do. But you're right Varden, i'll need to think about adding some extra scoring units.