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Do you take ward saves against spells that do not do damage like Enfeebling Foe or Doom and Darkness?
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Only if they have magic resistance.

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Poll says most of it.

But also why?

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Why would you take a ward save against non-damage and what effect would passing it have?

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Saves are for discounting wounds.

Have you suffered a wound? No. Move along to the next spell.

Some spells give weird exceptions to it though like.... Pit of Black Horrors I THINK?

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You don't get saves against that of course
It'd be good if MR had a better effect though, people would seriously start using it if it constituted a save against any detrimental effect (Like Deny the Witch in 40K). Of course the price would need to be changed

 
   
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You get ward saves against wounds, as the rules for saves specifically allows that. You also get ward saves when specifically told you can, against non-wounding effects - killing blow, for example, does not cause wounds but allows a ward save.
   
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Rune Maw is the only thing that can "ward" those types of things. While wards aren't only for wounds, they do specify that they are stopping damage.

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And how do we measure damage in this game me play?

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Models being removed from play is how we keasure damage. One mechanismrfor that is wounds.

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There is only 3 though correct?
Wounds, remove from play and remove as casualty.
Or am I missing some?

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Slain outright appears in KB as well, think just those 4

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slain outright isnt a game term, its just a description of loosing all wounds.

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Eihnlazer wrote:
slain outright isnt a game term, its just a description of loosing all wounds.

Except that it clearly isn't. The word outright is a clue, the absence of "causes multiple wounds" is the kicker.
Wounds, as Peasant pointed out, are one of the methods for killing models. There are 3 others, of which slain outright is one.

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I have to respectfully disagree.
I'm sure you saw that coming.
There are only 3 ways that models are killed in this game.
Reduced to 0 wounds
Remove from play
Remove as a casualty.

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For the pepple voting to use MR for spells which don't do damage... 2 questions. How / when ro you do it and don't your opponents complain?

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the rule book is very clear about what a ward save can be used against.

spells that do not cause a wound and/or do not specifically state that a ward save CAN be taken agasint them mean that you cannot take a save agasint them.

I forget the page in the BRB (away from books atm) but look up characteristic tests.

you don't get saves vs those
   
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P43 for instant kills p44 for ward saves, p67ish for MR

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Niteware wrote:
For the pepple voting to use MR for spells which don't do damage... 2 questions. How / when ro you do it and don't your opponents complain?


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nosferatu1001 wrote:
You get ward saves against wounds, as the rules for saves specifically allows that. You also get ward saves when specifically told you can, against non-wounding effects - killing blow, for example, does not cause wounds but allows a ward save.
This.

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 kirsanth wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
You get ward saves against wounds, as the rules for saves specifically allows that. You also get ward saves when specifically told you can, against non-wounding effects - killing blow, for example, does not cause wounds but allows a ward save.
This.

Exactly

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