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Considering I have a 1500pt Nid army and around a dozen predators all from the old clix minis, you can count me as interested!

GrandLegion wrote:
I Have a LEAK!

Hrm... those do like they could be used as 40k orks with their "heroic" scaling!

The minis look great. The only suggestion I have is to include normal full bases and not ones with slots if the minis won't have tabs to put into them.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I hope there isn't a Kickstarter and the game goes straight into production. If they've got official backing from Fox, I doubt they'll need Kickstarter as anything more than a storefront.

I can't wait to see some closer shots of the Marines!

I doubt it. KS is a method for the manufacturer to get 92%+ of the purchase price which for prodos games is almost full retail judging from the Warzone KS. I simply don't see them giving up that percentage cut to instead do the large initial splash via the traditional route where they instead get 40-50% of the retail price. Having someone else prefund (although I'm not sure where you're getting that info... usually you PAY the people who own the license... they don't pay YOU) doesn't somehow lessen the lure of an almost double profit from the initial release (along with the almost free marketing that a kickstarter gives you).

 usernamesareannoying wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
I am amused that we're bashing GW's models and not some of Mantic's stuff

Catty asides...er...aside.. I like what I'm seeing so far. If that is the quality of the production figures then I can see both of the clubs I frequent joining in on this.

its probably because mantic doesnt seem to be anywhere near as arrogant as GW.

Before the KOW KS, I'd have agreed with you. The more common sense reason is that the AVP figs are compared with a GW fig in the picture. I'm sure if they put a gorilla hands battle nun from KOW in there instead of a necron that the comparison would be even less favorable. There is no reason though for two middle tier UK minis manufacturers to start scratching at each other in something so simple as a scale comparison. The necron is most likely there simply because most people would end up substituting AVP figs into 40k armies compared with Mantic offerings.

overtyrant wrote:
I don't understand people unwillingness for this to go to KS, there are no negatives for this, only positives.

KS cut out from the very lucrative initial rush the "middle men" like stores who keep the hobby alive for alot of us by providing a centralized place to meet, gather, and play. KS also don't allow you to actually physically have the models in hand to examine (like with blisters) to avoid miscasts and you instead have to resort to a questionable return process that is doubly risky when you make it international. If it is released via the traditional route, you simply pay for the product and get the product immediately. With KS, you *HOPE* that the company makes good on it's promises during the campaign and doesn't unilaterally change things whenever it suits them (see the Mantic KS for examples of that). The only usual benefit to KS for consumers is that they typically get a discount on the product compared with traditional outlets but that wasn't the case with Prodos' only KS to date (warzone) which offered discounts equivalent to the typical 20% you find online and had the added risk of dealing with an international "promise" with a completely new company with no established rep. They seem to have come through very nicely with what they promised so kudos to them but it is extremely naive to say there are no negatives and only positives to going the KS route from a purely consumer POV.

 azreal13 wrote:
Are the Warzone shipments delayed?

They seem to be shipping in defacto mini-waves from the chatter in the threads. If you didn't order much, you got shipped first. If you gave them a heft sum, you're likely waiting till they get around to making/filling all the individual parts of your order. Some people got their orders a few weeks ago and posted reviews while others in the same geographic area are still waiting.


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overtyrant wrote:

 warboss wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
I don't understand people unwillingness for this to go to KS, there are no negatives for this, only positives.

KS cut out from the very lucrative initial rush the "middle men" like stores who keep the hobby alive for alot of us by providing a centralized place to meet, gather, and play. KS also don't allow you to actually physically have the models in hand to examine (like with blisters) to avoid miscasts and you instead have to resort to a questionable return process that is doubly risky when you make it international. If it is released via the traditional route, you simply pay for the product and get the product immediately. With KS, you *HOPE* that the company makes good on it's promises during the campaign and doesn't unilaterally change things whenever it suits them (see the Mantic KS for examples of that). The only usual benefit to KS for consumers is that they typically get a discount on the product compared with traditional outlets but that wasn't the case with Prodos' only KS to date (warzone) which offered discounts equivalent to the typical 20% you find online and had the added risk of dealing with an international "promise" with a completely new company with no established rep. They seem to have come through very nicely with what they promised so kudos to them but it is extremely naive to say there are no negatives and only positives to going the KS route from a purely consumer POV.

Many people don't have gaming stores to 'hold' miniatures before buying so there is risk from getting poor miniatures via post, it's the clubs not the stores holding the community together for some and the product must be quite poor if noone will buy it after the KS (see the Mantic Dreadball KS for examples of that, they sold thousands after that KS). They will be able to get the capital to produce MORE miniatures sooner (see the Mantic KoW KS for examples of that, the only models that were a fail were the nuns and M@A). The only negative I'll say that I missed was that your hoping to get a product from KS.

I said "alot of us", not everyone. Absolutely nothing you said above invalidates what I mentioned as potential and unfortunately common or inherent negatives to going the KS route. The negatives are there in plain black and white (or green and gold depending on your dakka theme). Even KS realizes that there are potential negatives as they mandate a "risk" portion to be completed for every campaign. There are plenty of positives for the KS route for the manufacturer but I'm not a manufacturer.. I'm a consumer. You'll have to excuse me if I look at it strictly from the perspective of someone shelling out his/her hard earned money and not from the perspective of the person taking it.

 cincydooley wrote:
HOLY gak. An actual project management milestone chart.

Prodos, you have my money for this new game simply due to that.

That does indeed knock the socks off of the Palladium Robotech style "It's lookin' great! Everyone in the office loves it! You'll love it! ...but we won't show you" update that they keep rinsing, lathering, and repeating.

Did stretch goals with warzone unlock freebies with any frequency? From my somewhat casual following of the campaign the vast majority of unlocks were different figures and factions for purchase, not freebies.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


Unfortunately no, but AVP rules covering aspects like : "Making your own Hero/Heroes" (you can Named them and Equipped as you want ;] )

So no Apone, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez, etc sculpts?

If not specifically due to likeness rights and fees, perhaps we'll just get generic gruff cigar chewin' black sergeant, cowardly caucasian trooper, and latina with a big machine gun minis... or maybe they'll mix up some of the details like with the horrorclix AVP minis and the female human mini they had.

It's fine. I wouldn't worry about it. All the alien designs look pretty darn cool and the vast majority of even die hard fans won't confuse their dislike of an entire movie with dislike of a single design. I like the variety you'll be introducing to the aliens and look forward to hopefully some "dog" aliens as well. I don't care how "great" one design from a single movie is in a wargame as even a great design will look boring if you have to cut and paste the same exact thing (albeit with different poses) over and over again.

I think I liked it better when MT11 was just nitpicking toes like a nervous first time Genestealer Patriach with his first brood. I'm sorry but I don't see any significant difference in coolness in the designs between the movies. One doesn't look any squishier or less biomechanical. Maybe my jeans aren't skinny enough but I like all the designs except for the "human" resurrection baby hybrid and, to a minor extent, the predalien in Requiem.

I want the alien horde to look cool at the tabletop level. I want to be able to presumably field different units of aliens that *LOOK* different at a glance but are still recognizable to mass market fans of the films. Prodos can't introduce variety and stay loyal to the series of films without using some of the latter designs. Don't want the supposedly inferior later movie alien designs? Don't get those models or just trade them with other players so you can have a cookie cutter alien horde of cloned identical models.

 Imposter101 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I want the alien horde to look cool at the tabletop level. I want to be able to presumably field different units of aliens that *LOOK* different at a glance but are still recognizable to mass market fans of the films. Prodos can't introduce variety and stay loyal to the series of films without using some of the latter designs. Don't want the supposedly inferior later movie alien designs? Don't get those models or just trade them with other players so you can have a cookie cutter alien horde of cloned identical models.

Nice red-herring/mis-representation argument.

Not even close. I simply want variety on the tabletop that corresponds to the films.

 Imposter101 wrote:
You act like people only want one variant of the Alien in one pose and design. You can still have variety with posing, which is pretty much what the Aliens are made for, movement. Climbing down walls, pipes, out of vents, all sorts of stuff could be done with one sculpt alone.

You seemed to have missed it the first time (perhaps it was covered in alien goo on your screen) so I'll quote it here again...

 warboss wrote:
It's fine. I wouldn't worry about it. All the alien designs look pretty darn cool and the vast majority of even die hard fans won't confuse their dislike of an entire movie with dislike of a single design. I like the variety you'll be introducing to the aliens and look forward to hopefully some "dog" aliens as well. I don't care how "great" one design from a single movie is in a wargame as even a great design will look boring if you have to cut and paste the same exact thing (albeit with different poses) over and over again.

If I go in on this, I plan on making a wargame army out of the aliens. If they're making different types of aliens with presumably different stats (a logical assumption for a tabletop minis game), I want the minis to be recognizable as that unit/type/subspecies from a glance. I don't want to have them all be first "Alien" movie aliens and then have to specify that the guys on ledges are this where as the guys on the ground are that but the ones leaping are a third type. I'd rather have the "infants" be the hormugant-style young aliens with poorer stats where as the later crested head ridge AVP aliens be the more experienced/grown varients like Genestealers whereas the dog aliens (if they'll exist) are the superfast movers of the horde like gargoyles.

 Manchu wrote:
I doubt Prodos is catering to people who want to use their models for something besides playing an AVP game ... but we've already been over that. Now variety for the sake of the AVP game is another matter.

It was simply an example... unless you really think they're not going to have different stats for different looking models. I actually thought about putting in a disclaimer about that but ended up coming to the (wrong) conclusion that no one would just jump to the wrong conclusion about it. If the rules for the game are good, I'll use them in the game. If they suck, I'll use them else where. If some universal game gets big in my local area, I'll use them there as well. With a variety of alien subspecies, I can do that. With the same Alien1 design copy pasted into different poses, I can't. My existing aliens army has outlived the original game(s) they were meant for and I couldn't be any happier.



Prodos should make the best and most useful aliens they can for *THEIR* game. I simply think that a variety of types of aliens will help that significantly more than one monolithic human size species.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Well, as a non-rabid fan of Aliens, I'm looking forward to whatever comes out here . I think it's a little similar to dealing with comic books- you can only please the hardcore fans so much, you've got to cater to the masses who honestly probably can't tell much difference between which alien came from which movie, etc.

That is about right ;]

To be more specific we WILL have at leas one model from following sources:

Alien from Alien - Infant Warrior
Alien from Aliens - Warrior
Alien from Aliens 3- Stalker (in fact ,concept based on Alien vs Predator Arcade Game 1994)

More concept taken from:
Alien vs Predator: Requiem
Aliens: Colonial Marines ;]
Alien vs Predator 1 and 2 Video Game 1999 and 2001
Predators Movie !!!!
Alien vs Predator Arcade Game

So quite a lot ;]

That sounds like a very satisfying bit of variety!

Yeah, I suspect both aliens and predators would easily be able to tell synthetics from humans.

Also in the videogames (at least the old PC ones...haven't played the more recent two offerings beyond demos) the aliens "see" phermones and that was the justification of why they could see through walls. Whether or not that stays canon for a game a decade later in a completely different medium is another story...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Why do all the Weyland Yutani guys look like they have angry eyebrows on their helmets?

I am more puzzled as to why they are all wearing padded cloth jackets with mantles over the top.
The angry eyebrows on the helmets look like they are raised little eyehole blockers.

Maybe they're valhallans? It's apparently cold there in the smelting furnance for them. I think they just decided to go for a certain look they thought was cool without really thinking it through too much... much like the plot for that movie and the effect it would have on the Aliens storyline.

 Medium of Death wrote:
How did Alien3 impact Aliens storyline exactly?

The only major issue I have with the story are the facehuggers getting on board the escape pod. Again, the Queen could have left behind "fail safe" eggs when it stowed away on the drop ship.

Newt & Hicks dying is contentious,

You pretty much answered your own question. Making interesting characters that are fan favorites survive a really good movie and having them die unceremoniously before the next one off screen was definitely not a good idea.

While I admit that a KS is unlikely with such a quick release, it's not impossible. They could easily do a KS even if the majority of the work is done as both a preorder and marketing tool. That may not be the "correct" reason but it certainly won't be the first time in the industry.

 primalexile wrote:
FYI from Facebook.. Looks like a news delay:

Alien vs Predator The Miniatures Game: More info regarding release on Monday the 4th.

Well.. poop. I was hoping on a bunch of news regarding this and the Robotech kickstarters today. Now I'm just left with the latter.

The minis look great! Keep up the good work, Prodos! I anxiously await the news now coming on Monday.

 azreal13 wrote:

Am I seriously the only one who can barely tell the difference between those two pics with the exception of coloration?!

Nope. This is the scifi equivalent of someone declaring that a Napoleonic 25mm fig range is complete crap because they have 3 buttons on their jackets instead of 4 from midwar on. Jeez! It looks completely unrealistic with 3 buttons like something straight out of a high school play costume department! I mean, seriously, the hats don't even look like they're made out of beavers! They're clearly sculpted to be rabbit fur! The rest of us are just happy that we get Pope hat wearing guys in dress uniforms with muskets and bayonets to paint as we haven't been able to find any in that scale for years.

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
Ok so any clue as to when this is coming out I am really excited about this.

Monday... is when they supposedly tell us more.

Does anyone here at dakka know how the spoiler post function works? Or is it a personal preference to repost the same set of large pictures to add just a single new sentance?

I dunno. In a strange way, I'm glad that all the superfans have been pointing out the difference that I as an apparently casual fan didn't notice. I noticed things like the dog alien being different and some aliens having tubes on their back ala Typhus but not the other details brought up. I've come to the conclusion that the Giger original alien is the worst looking of the lot (although still good). The later Cameron and AVP designs are more fluid on screen and organic which is what I expect and want from my aliens. After all, the aliens burst out of human chests, not vacuum bags. Less mechanical and more bio, please!

timd wrote:

 Moloch wrote:
Wow. It`s been a long time since a thread got me to de-lurk.

Being the Tyranid nut that I am it should also come as no surprise that I am stricken with the Alien. In fact I do have- among other things- a complete life sized 2,3 metre version in my man cave.

Moloch, you can't come out of hiding and casually mention a 2.3 meter Alien model without showing us a photo....

Tim

Indeed. I recommend taking a pic spooning with it in bed for internet humor gold and instant fame!

Awesome.. predaliens! I'm definitely missing that one in my horrorclix AVP collection. I hope they post the info early on Monday in the UK.

Damn you Daylight Savings Time! You've delayed the already delayed Monday announcement by a whole additional 60 minutes!!