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Bit of a newby question.

For codex space marines, are there any restrictions on which transports can be used by a character with a jump pack? I've looked through the rules and can't find much except for the fact they're bulky so take up two spots. Can said character with jump pack join a squad and embark upon rhinos, razorbacks, drop pods etc?

Cheers

Main transport rules in the BRB.

P78 "Transport Capacity"
Second paragraph.

Cheers Grendel

So, no.

I thought that was the case, just couldn't find the relevent rules.

Thanks again mate

Jump, Jet etc are now a subset of Infantry, so have generic permission to embark.

To find out if the actual transport has any specific restrictions on those models embarking, you need to look at the rules for the vheicle. From memory Rhinos et al specifically state no for Jump and Jet

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Jump, Jet etc are now a subset of Infantry, so have generic permission to embark.

To find out if the actual transport has any specific restrictions on those models embarking, you need to look at the rules for the vheicle. From memory Rhinos et al specifically state no for Jump and Jet

What? No, they're explicitly forbidden unless otherwise noted . Rhinos can't carry anything bulky or larger. Only the stormraven may carry jump infantry in a marines army

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Jump, Jet etc are now a subset of Infantry, so have generic permission to embark.

To find out if the actual transport has any specific restrictions on those models embarking, you need to look at the rules for the vheicle. From memory Rhinos et al specifically state no for Jump and Jet

Incorrect Nos,

The sentence telling us that only infantry units can embark into transport has a whole section within parentheses. This section informs us that the permission for infantry to embark into transport is limited to just 'pure' infantry and not to other sub-sets of infantry at all. If you have jump or jet-pack in the name, then it doesn't matter that the other section is infantry as it is out right denied permission to embark. The only way around this is if the transport in question gives you permission to embark more then 'pure' infantry, of which a handful do, so the people are not looking for a restriction against those models but permission granting those models access.

No subsets? Just pure infantry, so no infantry(character) cannot embark?

Actually there are specific restrictions on certain vehicles that goes beyond jump and get infantry. So Nos was right to say" To find out if the actual transport has any specific restrctions.... you need to look at the rules for the vehicle "

Can you put a terminator in a rhino?

Well tried about the characters, Jinx could have said it better but he's still right. Only infantry and infantry ICs may be transported unless otherwise noted.

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Well tried about the characters, Jinx could have said it better but he's still right. Only infantry and infantry ICs may be transported unless otherwise noted.

Yes he could have but it doesn't change the fact that assault marines are jump and infantry. So saying only infantry is just half of the work, you need to point at the transport rules too to exclude the jump and jet models.

Jump/Jet infantry is specifically denied.

Subsets of Infantry otherwise(not that there are any other than Character) are fine.

Infantry (character) is still a 'pure' infantry unit-type as the model does not have any other unit-types attached to it. I can see where some people might come away thinking that having the (character) tag is the same as having a different unit-type, as they do put this tag within the unit-type section of the model profile. Placement of the rule aside, I have yet to see anything in the book informing us that the (character) tag changes the unit-type in any rule related sense. Therefore, as I see it, the character tag isn't a unit-type subset but simply the way Game Workshop informs us that a model has access to the character special rules. Because this tag was not brought up prior, and irrelevant to a debate about what type of units can embark in a transport, it never occurred to me that someone would bend my use of the word sub-sets, in direct relation to unit-types, to mean 'characters can never embark' which is clearly ludicrous....

After all; this thread was not 'can characters embark' but 'can jump units embark.' Nos.'s answer of 'jump and jet-pack units can embark if their other unit type is infantry' is clearly incorrect on this matter. This would be true if it wasn't for the fact the next half of that very sentence informing us that only infantry can embark didn't go on to mention that jump and jump-pack infantry are outright denied. Personally, I find it strange he made such a mistake in the first place....

Sorry the Infantry (character) thing was rhetorical, it was just to point out that the only subtype if such things exist are characters.

You're a unit type of infantry and jet/jump not a subtype of infantry. That's what I'm just trying to clarify. Look at the jump rules in the bold paragraph Jump infantry are at all times both Jump and Infantry units.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
Sorry the Infantry (character) thing was rhetorical, it was just to point out that the only subtype if such things exist are characters.

You're a unit type of infantry and jet/jump not a subtype of infantry. That's what I'm just trying to clarify. Look at the jump rules in the bold paragraph Jump infantry are at all times both Jump and Infantry units.

Jump/jet is a sub type.

jump/jet is an addition that gets added to a basic unit type.

If that is what you where trying to raise, Liturgies of blood; then I do agree that the terminology I put forth could of been better chosen.

That is pretty much a given when I post though as often I chose incorrect terminology, use improper grammar and spelling, or a range of other things that makes it harder to get the point across. This is also why my posts tend to have multiple edits before I feel comfortable just letting them sit. I re-read before posting a few times but still afterwards I feel the context of the post is being lost, notice the grammar is completely screwed or just blatant mistakes that make no sense. Therefore I go back in and edit, not to change the context but to simply try and make it more clear what I am trying to say.

So yeah, me using a terminology that confused people is par for the course... sorry about that....

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

 liturgies of blood wrote:
Sorry the Infantry (character) thing was rhetorical, it was just to point out that the only subtype if such things exist are characters.

You're a unit type of infantry and jet/jump not a subtype of infantry. That's what I'm just trying to clarify. Look at the jump rules in the bold paragraph Jump infantry are at all times both Jump and Infantry units.

Jump/jet is a sub type.

jump/jet is an addition that gets added to a basic unit type.

The rules don't say it's a subtype. They say it's a type and that you don't just get "jump units", you get Jump and another unit type's rules.

Which makes it a subtype.

It is in always the basic type, but then can use the jump/jet rule in the given situations and has the added benefits granted by those rules.

No a subtype would be eldar jetbikes.

They take on the rules of both and can be damaged by things targeting or effecting jump and infantry respectively.

It's like on a venn diagram, eldar jetbikes are a subset but jump infantry is an intersection as they fit in both rulesets irrc.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Which makes it a subtype.

It is in always the basic type, but then can use the jump/jet rule in the given situations and has the added benefits granted by those rules.

No, it makes it a Hybrid.

Also some one said ICs have a blanket permission to ride in transports. To clarify they do not. Most ICs have a unit type of infantry and THEY can ride in transports, ICs that are not infantry have no such permission.

 DJGietzen wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Which makes it a subtype.

It is in always the basic type, but then can use the jump/jet rule in the given situations and has the added benefits granted by those rules.

No, it makes it a Hybrid.

It really makes no difference what it is, they still can't go in transports without a specific permission to over-ride the prohibition in the Transport rules.