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Ok, I'm mad on ghost knights, but I'm wondering if it's actually physically possible to run an Iyanden ghost list for a tourney? It's very very different to my 'fun' list, and not one I'd want to play all the time, but could it work in a tourney?

HQ

Farseer - 130 Pts
Guardian helm, spear of teuthlas

Spiritseer - 70 Pts

Spiritseer - 70 Pts

TROOPS

5 Wraithblades - 160 Pts
Axes & Shields (Farseers bodyguard)

5 Wraithguard - 355 Pts
D-Scythes, Wave serpent w/ TL SL, holos, SC

5 Wraithguard - 355 Pts
D-Scythes, Wave serpent w/ TL SL, holos, SC

5 Wraithguard - 305 Pts
Cannons, Wave serpent w/ TL SL, holos, SC

5 Wraithguard - 305 Pts
Cannons, Wave serpent w/ TL SL, holos, SC

It's exactly 1750 points, which I think is standard tourney size.

All criticism, suggestions, critiques welcome please!

I actually just played against two Lyanden Wraith Armies at the Redstone Rumble GT, where I snuck out two cowardly victories with my Flying Circus Daemons. It was a 2k tournament.

The first list, which ended up winning Best Eldar, and placing top 5, was a bit different from yours, more death star ish.

He ran this deathstar: Eldrad, three Spirit Seers, ten Wraithguard with D Cannons, and the Baron
Then he had two Serpents with Guardians, a Venom with Warriors and Grizzly Trophies (for psychic test rerolls)
A Wraith Knight (stock) and a Wraith Lord (I don't remember what he had, I tarpitted him all game, lol)
Some Rangers to Scout block biker Armies and the Vauls Wrath to kill Troops. Two Bike squads to take objectives

His list was scary good, and essentially tabled almost everything it faced (including some dirty Tau lists). That Deathstar is no joke at all, nearly invincible, and with 10 STR10 D weapon shots. The WK runs interference, the WL guards his backfield, the Vauls Wrath pick off hidden Troops, the Bikes cap objectives, and the Serpeants kill stuff. Really strong.

I later faced a list similar to yours, bunch of Wraithguard squads in Serpents with a Spirit Seer in the Serpent. A WK and a WL and a Crimson Hunter. I just hid from it, because Serpents are ridiculous, and contested all objectives at the end with FMCs.

So in short, I think it's extremely valid, both those Armies placed top 10 at a major tournament (and I think I kept the first one from winning the whole thing). Your list could use a few changes I think (just my opinion of course, I'm not an Eldar expert)

The Farseer on foot with the Wraithblades? They're dead, don't run them. That's an easy Warlord kill for many Armies (other Eldar, Tau, creative Daemon players who set up a multi Vector Strike going off the table, etc). I don't think a Serpent list needs a Farseer at all, just take the Spirit Seer for Voice of Twilight and be done with it. If you must have a Farseer (and really, what is he buffing, all your Troops are in Serpents until late game), run him on a bike with the mantle. More survivable than in a small squad of guys in 3+ armor. I'd also add in a Wraith Knight, barebones. He's a great counter punch unit, he can kill Daemon Princes after your Serpents put them on the ground, he can kill Land Raiders, he's just awesome in this kind of list.

So do I drop the Farseer and a spirit seer, and run a single HQ? I could just drop the Farseer and run a 5th serpent without holos? If I was to push to 2000 I'd simply add a knight!

You'll want

2 spiritseers

2 wraithknights

3 wave serpents

5x sctyhes

2x 5x normal wraithguard

Than you have to decide what else you want to do.

Warp Spiders, Jetbikes, Farseer, War Walkers

I think your going to find though that like most mechdar lists that are coming up that you wont have the tools to deal with the top meta. If you look at tournoments for the past couple months the only wins that I know of are Seer Council, Tau/Dar that was modified away from net taudar, and just this past weekend a very different list with guardian blobs supported by warp spiders wraithknights and 2 wave serpents with nothing in them.

I think what people need to start to realize is that mechdar doesn't match up all that well against alot of armies, that you need warp spiders and wraithknights to deal with alot of the major threats and that 2 waveserpents is probably the sweet spot, as they are very good, but not the be all and end all.

Flying necrons give no warp spider spam armies fits, shooting wave serpents into the sky after they have come in doesn't do it.

White scars are also the other big question mark, they just took a major tournoment which means they will get a few more players, if you have to face a tuned bike/talon/thunderfire list its probably not going to be pretty.

Ok, how about

2 spiritseers - 140 Pts

5 x scythes with serpent - 355 Pts

5 x scythes with serpent - 355 Pts

5 x guard with serpent - 305 Pts

5 x guard with serpent - 305 Pts

Wraithknight - 240 Pts

Wraithknight with Suncannon & scatter laser - 300 Pts

That's 2000 points exactly.

The list probably runs most competative at 1750 with 3 serpetns 2 knights and 2 spiritseers, at 2k your facing alot of things that will do bad things to do and the addition of one scythe unit with serpent probably wont be able to make up the slack.

It all depends on the points value but at 1750 i would go the same list with a unit a 5 warp spiders and drop the 4 serpent with scythe

At 1850 i would probably go with autarch on bike with a unit a jetbikes plus the 1750 list minus the warp spiders.

At 2k your probably fine with what you have.

Overall I would say Iyanden lists will be competative a good general will have a winning record, but they wont place in or win any major tournoments.

So, for 1750, if I drop a squad of scythes with a serpent, I can put in 5 warp spiders, 1 being an exarch.... That's exactly 1750! Is that normal tourney size?

my tounreys are either 1500 (small) 1850 (meduim) or 2000 (large)

in all honesty ive never done a 1750 point game

i like the list, but yes i think that if you dropped one scythe serpent, and then added some spiders it would turn out better. i run 2 5 man squads, never ever regretted it. they do so much damage.

In my list, at 1850 I can run 2 5 man squads with 1 having an exarch. Or a 10 man squad?

2 5 man are better i would say. thats 2 vehicles with back arnmour 10 (which is basically every one) that is nearly a garunteed kill. deepstrike in, put 10 shots at s7 into back amour.... its dead. even agaisnt av 11 or 12 there still effective.

having a 10 man squad though is helpfull as an anti air squad when guided, one of the best in the codex. 20 shots guided at s7? pretty good.

all depends on what your going for. like i said, i prefre 2 5 man squads, but its up to you

Well, as a tournament designed iyanden list I was advised to ditch the Farseer, so guided isn't a possibility. But there is 3 serpents with a potential twin linked shield, so I'll have no end of S6 or S7 shots!

Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Ok, how about

2 spiritseers - 140 Pts

5 x scythes with serpent - 355 Pts

5 x scythes with serpent - 355 Pts

5 x guard with serpent - 305 Pts

5 x guard with serpent - 305 Pts

Wraithknight - 240 Pts

Wraithknight with Suncannon & scatter laser - 300 Pts

That's 2000 points exactly.

Well, that's a small but tough army.
However, I absolutely dislike your mono-dimensional troop choices. I'd take 2 WG units with D-scythes and try to squeeze in three Guardian or DA units in Serpents.

........it's intentional, as it is supposed to be a wraith army........

Khaine's Wrath wrote:
........it's intentional, as it is supposed to be a wraith army........

Well, my worry is that you have too less Serpents at this point level and 5 man units (even with a high T) are not too hard to take down.

Ok. So how would you take them down dude, with an all round list?

Well, I think the more Serpents the better. Think about approaching the enemy with your Serpents. All Serpents should be able to fire in turn 1. While approaching the enemy, the WG with D-scythes can disembark and take on enemy units. In the meanwhile, troops in the other Serpents could claim objectives. Here WG may not be needed.

I'd drop a spiritseer and the blades. Take a bare-bones knight as mentioned above. Have the farseer roll with a squad of guard. The problem with wriathblades is they don't have an assault transport. And running up the battlefield will result in a dead warlord and blades.

I like wraithknights but they will have to pop some tanks and may kill some termies/MCs in CC to make back their points. But I love the 2 Str 10 guns they have and their toughness. Str 10 AP2 hits at I5 doesn't hurt either. But you better keep him in cover and choose who you assault with care. Two of them actually complement each other rather well (as well as costing about 1/4 of your points in large games).

Scythes are not only great at wiping out blobs but they are a great way to defend an objective. Hide them in cover and almost anything that assaults them will die. I've wiped out a 5 man nurgle bike squad on overwatch (rolled a lot of sixes to wound).

But I'm only a Taudar player who runs 3 riptides and a knight just for the fun of it.