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 AlexHolker wrote:
This is an organisation that literally blames the Holocaust on gays. According to them, only gays would lower themselves to these acts of genocide. Damn right they're a hate group.

Also the organization that called Elena Kegan a lesbian unfit to serve on the Supreme Court and claimed that Homosexual sex is as bad for you as drugs. I'm Christian and I think they're a hate group. The only people who wouldn't are people who haven't been paying attention to any of the crap they spew out. Hell I'd call them the PETA of Christian organizations. They do nothing but unhelpful things with all the money they're given that are really counter productive and yet people keep giving them money.

I'm sure you could find some examples of the NRA saying hateful things from time to time, but I doubt you'd manage to really build a good argument to call the NRA a hate group. If fear mongering is enough to be called a hate group pretty much every group is a hate group.

Baring #7 a lot of non-hate groups would fit those criteria.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Bear in mind that the characteristics are, as always, not going to be 1:1 in every case. You can pick and choose.
Points 1, 3, 4, 5 and 6 are very applicable with the NRA.

Honestly. That's more of an argument that the criteria is shoddy than that the NRA is a hate group.

501st Legion;

1) Check
2) Oh hell yes. Check.
3) No. But we can just ignore that one.
4) Well they seem savvy enough from their website.
5) Maybe.
6) They seem pretty Middle America but lets face it, Middle America is the generic America.
7) They want to purge the Jedi.

501st Legion is a hate group. The guys who march for tolerance, help the Salvation Army during Christmas, run local charities all year long, and attend conventions like the nerds they are.

 sebster wrote:
Only if we ignore the insensity, extent and nature of the fear mongering. Which is subjective sure, but it needs to be done, because a group who's entire reason for being is to tell people that black people are plotting a war to take control of the USA, and to plan to stop that from happening, is very different from, I don't know, someone claiming that Obamacare has death panels.

That's kind of what I'm getting at. Fear mongering in itself is just par for the course in political activism and means little beyond mixing it with something like a (un)healthy dose of racism. The NRA certainly does a lot of fear mongering, and I'm sure some members also happen to believe in the coming race war (come on there's gotta be some overlap there somewhere) but I just don't see how the NRA's shenanigans can raise to the level of being a hate group.


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 sebster wrote:
But that'd be Janet Reno for you. She was just really bad at her job, wasn't she?

Judging from that list I'd assume so but I'm also not ruling out that the FBI has a more nuanced application of that list, hopefully one employing common sense.

Hey man. We can't hold that against Kan;

Zimmerman's Law; If there is an internet discussion about guns, the NRA, race, or neighborhood watches, the chances that the case of George Zimmerman will be mentioned slowly approach 1.

There are more Catholics than all Protestants combined world wide. The Catholic Church and Islam as a whole account for 40% of the world's population.

Well that goes back to the last time someone accused the military of targeting Christians for going after these guys: Catholic Anti-Semites who are so bad the Catholic Church excommunicates them.

They went to a foreign country and lobbied to pass a law that makes being gay an offense punishable by the death penalty and then encouragingly said "we did it there we can do it here too."

Ignoring that violence is hardly a requirement of hate, even using a vague "I can't define it but I know it when I see it" standard of hate group the AFA have gone above and beyond the call of duty to meet the criteria.

 djones520 wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
They went to a foreign country and lobbied to pass a law that makes being gay an offense punishable by the death penalty and then encouragingly said "we did it there we can do it here too."

Ignoring that violence is hardly a requirement of hate, even using a vague "I can't define it but I know it when I see it" standard of hate group the AFA have gone above and beyond the call of duty to meet the criteria.

You're thinking of the Family Research Center. The AFA had nothing to do with that.

oh. Okay then XD