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So, as I said above, can one shoot a template weapon into CC?
The reason I ask this Is because template weapons dont actually target a unit, instead they target an area. Same goes for blast weapons.

Also can one on purpose place a blast marker next to an ongoing close combat in hope that it scatters top of the enemy?

IIRC They do target a unit

 Nem wrote:
IIRC They do target a unit

This. Both templates and blasts target a unit rather than an area.

With regards to purposefully placing a blast/template close to a CC? Sure, as long as you are targeting a unit that is close to but not involved in the combat.

I see. Well thanks for the help.

As above, you must always place a blast/template on an enemy model/vehicle.
Targeting the ground is never allowed.

Okay so where can I find this rule? Its not that I dont believe you guys I just want to be able to prove this in an argument.

Look at the rules for Blasts and Templates.

It specifically states they follow the normal rules apart fro mnot rolling to hit, and specifically states templates and markers cannot be placed on CC, or over friendly models.

They can only 'accidentally' scatter onto CC or friendly models.

Templates can never go into CC.

Blasts can only get there by scattering; you cannot place a template so that it covers any models in CC.

I thought that the Bombing Run hellstorm template in Apocalypse has a Scatter mechanic, so therefore COULD end up in CC?

nosferatu1001 wrote:
I thought that the Bombing Run hellstorm template in Apocalypse has a Scatter mechanic, so therefore COULD end up in CC?

No such thing anymore(unless I missed it).

All the bombing runs I have seen in the new apoc book have been Apoc Barrage; and the Apoc book tells you the Hellstorm template follows the rules for templates.

Barrage Weapons do not roll to hit ..they just scatter (modified by Ballsitic skill if in LOS ..not if out of LOS ) so yes you can drop motors, Lobba's or the like on a nearby unengaged unit and watch it scatter into Close combat.. It happens a lot and is one of the things Orks do with Lobbas all the time

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Templates can never go into CC.

Blasts can only get there by scattering; you cannot place a template so that it covers any models in CC.

Templetes should be able to hit models in close combat so long as ...
they hit as many enemy models in the target unit as possible
they do not hit any friendly models
the target unit is not itself in close combat

example (not to scale, but you get the picture )



Unit A is firing a flamer at Unit B. He hits all the models in Unit B but also hits some models in Unit C. Unit C is locked in combat with Unit D.

Except that directly contradicts the explicit rule stating that a template may NOT be placed over ANY MODELS in CC

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Except that directly contradicts the explicit rule stating that a template may NOT be placed over ANY MODELS in CC

I might have missed, it, where is this rule?

 DJGietzen wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Except that directly contradicts the explicit rule stating that a template may NOT be placed over ANY MODELS in CC

I might have missed, it, where is this rule?

BRB p28, "Shooting into and out of Close Combat"

I see it now, thank you. I guess I should not be surprised a rule about where I can and cannot place a template was not in the section telling me how I need to place a template!

But it WAS a section on dealing with how and when you can "shoot into" a close combat, for ALL weapons as a single topic.