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Hey Dakka - So I have not played my vanilla marines for some time now (usually BT or BA) but with the new codex, the IH are catching my attention. Something about the IWND and FnP .

Anyways, i made up a 1K list and wanted to see if it would be considered competative.

HQ:
Chapter Master w/ Artificier Armour, PF, Shield Eternal on Bike

Troop:
Tac Squad x5 w/ HB
Razorback with TL HB

Tac Squad x5 w/ Melta gun

Tac Squad x5 w/ PC

Fast Attack:
Assault Squad x5, Sgt w/ Power Axe

Heavy:
Land Raider

Fortification:
ADL w/ Quad

CM goes with the ASM, Melta tac squad goes in the LR, and the PC tac squad goes on the quad gun. Razorback squad is a mid-field objective grabber while the metla squad in LR provides moving cover for the CM and ASM and trys for back field objectives.

Thoughts on this list? Help me make it better!

Putting a Tactical Squad in a Land Raider is never a good use of the Land Raider's point cost or assault hatch, imo. I would strongly recommend putting 5 Assault Terminators in there instead, if you have them. Otherwise I would drop the Land Raider altogether and take a Rhino for the Tactical Squad, PLUS another 10-man Tactical Squad in a Rhino.

Yeah....I know it probably is not the best idea, but I think that at 1000pts a LR will be a pretty hard target to crack. The rest of the army can support and try and take out any anti-armour. I would add some Assault Termies, but I dont have the models.

If I did go your route it would look like this:

HQ:
Chapter Master w/ Artificier Armour, PF, Shield Eternal on Bike

Troop:
Tac Squad x5 w/ HB
Razorback with TL HB

Tac Squad x5 w/ Melta gun
Rhino

Tac Squad x5 w/ PC

Tac Squad x10 w/ Melta gun
Drop Pod

Fast Attack:
Assault Squad x5, Sgt w/ Power Axe

Fortification:
ADL w/ Quad

What do you think? I only have 2 rhinos chasis and one of them is being used for the Razorback.

That looks better, in my opinion.

Land Raiders are tough to kill in 1,000 point games, but if it isn't delivering an assault unit then it isn't doing much for you. You could consider removing the Jump Packs from your Assault Marines and stuffing them inside the Land Raider. If you go that route then I would recommend upping the squad size to 10.

Why does the 5-Man Razorback squad have a Heavy Bolter? If they stay in the Razorback then I would go with a special weapon instead.

I would give a Combi-Melta to the 5-man Tac Squad in the Rhino. Same with the 10-man squad in the Drop Pod. I would also consider giving the Drop Pod squad some form of CC weapon to deter assaults, as they will be very close to the enemy on turn 1. A Power Axe or Power Fist would be great for this unit.

I also forgot to ask... What's with the Bike Captain? Does he hide behind the Rhino hulls to avoid being shot?

Bike Chapter Master is a beast in CC with EW and T5. Plus with the bike he is relentless so he can move and still drop his nuke turn 1 or before assault. It makes him much hader to kill and more versitile with shooting. You can give him the fist and shield and he still retains a TL bolter.

I added the assault squad so he would have some meat shields or be able to absorb some wounds for the squad allowing them to get across the field with as few of casulities as possible. They have to have JP's to keep up with him.

I see your point on the RB squad. I will re-look at the HB in the tac squad. I could do a flamer or another melta. However, I dont like getting too close to other units with such a small squad. Hence the long range firepower.

I would leave them in their Razorback for most of the game, only getting out to clean an objective on turn 5. A Flamer is a cheap and effective objective-clearning weapon. Well worth the 5 points, even if you only use it once.

Okay, I went back and did some brain storming and I think I like these lists better. Which one does everyone prefer?

Iron Hands
List A:
Chapter Master on Bike w/ AA, PF, and Shield Eternal

Troops:
Tactical Squad x5 w/ PC
Tactical Squad x5 w/ HB
Tactical Squad x5 w/ Flamer and Sgt. w/ combi-flamer
Bike Squad x5 w/ 2x Grav-guns and Sgt. w/ combi-grav

Heavy:
Land Raider

Fort:
ADL w/ Quad

or List B
HQ:
Chapter Master on Bike w/ AA, PF, and Shield Eternal

Troops:
Tactical Squad x5 w/ PC
Tactical Squad x5 w/ HB
Tactical Squad x5 w/ Flamer and Sgt. w/ combi-flamer
Bike Squad x5 w/ 2x Grav-guns and Sgt. w/ combi-grav

Heavy:
Predator w/ HB sponsons
Vindicator w/ siege shield

Fort:
ADL w/ Quad

List A is 995 while List B is 25 points short. Any ideas and which would work better?

List b it's just better. Lr is not good without terminators or honor guard.


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List b it's just better. Lr is not good without terminators or honor guard.

I personally cant say i like the chapter master with a bike and shield eternal. only because T5 puts him out of a lot of instant death. i would rather see him with a Burning blade and no SS as 6attacks on the charge (if you kept the pistol) at st 7 ap 2 at initiative will own just about anything.

Thats true. I like the bike to get the extra scoring unit, bupmp in T, and the ability to move and drop his orbital bomb. The shield is there for the EW boost. I dont want to run in and wiff on a MC or DP and get IK....