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So I've been running this list against a few friends who play mostly Eldar Serpent spam. It has been a slaughter every time (in that satisfying, throw dice across the room angry opponent kind of way.)

I was wondering if anyone thought this might work in a tournament atmosphere, or if there are any thoughts on improvements. Also, if anyone's counting, there are 25 dark lances.

Haemonculus w/ Venom Blade = 50

Aegis Defense Line with Quad Gun = 100

20 Kabalite Warriors with 2 Dark Lance = 230

10 Kabalite Warriors - 1 Dark Lance -in a raider with D Lance = 175
10 Kabalite Warriors - 1 Dark Lance -in a raider with D Lance = 175
10 Kabalite Warriors - 1 Dark Lance -in a raider with D Lance = 175
10 Kabalite Warriors - 1 Dark Lance -in a raider with D Lance = 175
10 Kabalite Warriors - 1 Dark Lance -in a raider with D Lance = 175

3 Trueborn with 2 Dark lances - in Twin Splinter Cannon Venom = 151
3 Trueborn with 2 Dark lances - in Twin Splinter Cannon Venom = 151

Ravager = 105
Ravager = 105
Ravager = 105
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1847 points

wyches w/ haywire grenades > tanks (even serpents)
maybe switch it up a bit to make room for 5-man wych cults in venoms? they're only 125 (thats with the 2 s.cannons and haywire 'nades)

dark lances are good, and so is DE shooting, but what happens when you run into blob squads with 4+or better armour? your poisoned weapons will pump out a lot of shots, sure, but they will most likely end up saving against them.

just some things to think about. i too am working on a competitive DE list so these are things that i have been considering lately as well (especially with tau and crons being so popular right now).

good luck!

*EDIT wyches in venoms are 125 not 175

Few Issues

Disintegrators are better on the Raiders, gives you 3x AP2 shots rather than 1. I would rather have 15 of those than 5 Dark Lance shots.

You will be snap firing pretty much all the Lances as you dont have any NS or FF so you have to keep moving the Raiders.

Trueborn, kinda pointless like that, you would be better taking Blasters rather than Dark Lances, yes the range is shorter but you can move and fire.

What is the Haemo adding to this list exactly? I assume you are using him to man the Gun, his BS is only 4 though, you would be better paying 10 points more for an Archon.

I am all for AP2 weapons but I would say this is a bit over the top.

disintegrators are only S5 which is pointless against vehicles. the whole point to taking the lances is to pop vehicles and transports and then fill em up with poison, as the warriors inside the raiders can shoot at the newly exposed unit. don't get me wrong, i love disintegrator cannons too, it just depends on what you need for your list. this list obviously doesn't need anti-infantry help as warriors are excellent at that. it needs to consistently pop tanks (25 DL's should be able to do that) so that it CAN wipe the infantry still left. also, raiders are fast and only have 1 weapon anyway, so moving and shooting aren't an issue. as long as the move is no more than 6" the troops fire at normal BS too, and if they move more, splinter racks make them twin-linked. i will agree that blaster-born in venoms is the way to go and i believe the haemy is there because its the cheapest HQ available.

25 DL's is just overkill for tanks. If you come up against a horde army with decent firepower you might find those DL's a bit lacking.

So, if I was to put splinter cannons on the trueborn in the venoms, I would barely notice the lack of high strength firepower and be able to handle hordes without sacrificing much. I also agree that wyches are beastly against tanks, but in the games I have been playing, they get focused down super fast.

just allow me to say that if i ran into this with my marines, I would s**t a brick. This is scary stuff.

There is a slightly better way of doing this using double force org as you can spam more ravagers. Then you can use Venoms with troops in as on average you have more shots with better range.


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2x Archon with Blaster.
2x Blasterborn (x4) in Venom.
6x Warrior squads in Venom.
6x Ravager.

That's 18 Dark Lances and 10 Blasters. Best bit, stick retrofire jets on the blaster Venoms and deep strike them in range.

You shouldn't need the Aegis with this many Ravagers.

Or just use Sliscus in place of an archon, and gain deepstrike army-wide for your vehicles

Shingen wrote:
There is a slightly better way of doing this using double force org as you can spam more ravagers. Then you can use Venoms with troops in as on average you have more shots with better range.


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2x Archon with Blaster.
2x Blasterborn (x4) in Venom.
6x Warrior squads in Venom.
6x Ravager.

That's 18 Dark Lances and 10 Blasters. Best bit, stick retrofire jets on the blaster Venoms and deep strike them in range.

You shouldn't need the Aegis with this many Ravagers.

With this, would the warrior squads in the venoms be stock? Or would they a blaster in there?

Stock.

Hilariously fantastic list!
Definitely torn on having DLs in the Kabbie units when they've gotta move their boats to get jink though.

But you may want to check the math.
Haemie is listed as 50, but should be 55 with VB.
Way I count it, you're at 1872.
I get to 1847 with this when I run one of the trueborns with SCannons and one with DLs.