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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/18 04:30:46
Subject: [HELP!] First time 2000 Fantasy Daemons of Chaos List
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Sinewy Scourge
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Lord:
Great Unclean One w/ 4 lesser - 475
Heroes
Epidemius w/ BSB - 225
Troops:
20 Plague bearers w/ Muscian, Standar bearer, PlagueRidden - 290
10 Daemonettes - 110
10 Daemonettes - 110
Special:
3 Beast of Nurgle - 180
3 Beast of Nurgle - 180
Rare:
Nurgle Soul Grinder - 255
Skull Cannon - 135
There's actually still around 50 points left that I could use.
The main goal is to have the beast of Nurgle tie units up while Daemonettes flank them, once the tally goes up my stuff becomes stronger and stronger.
This is my first time writing a Fantasy list, please give me some feedback
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40K:
5000+ points W/D/L: 10/0/6
4000+ points W/D/L: 7/0/4
1500+ points W/D/L: 16/1/4
Fantasy
4000+ points W/D/L: 1/1/2
2500+ points W/D/L: 0/0/3
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/18 05:30:28
Subject: Re:[HELP!] First time 2000 Fantasy Daemons of Chaos List
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Looks solid although roughly 1/4 of your army into you great unclean one is a lot at this point level, especially since your magic phase will be really weak. Expect most armies you go against to have a level 4 and even another level 1 or 2. Depending what you are using this list for (tournaments), if you have to use the GUO, consider taking a portalglyph and hiding Epidimus in it, essentially protecting his benefits adding to the strength of you army without fear of them going away. This is a pretty hateful tactic though and I wouldn't do this in situations where you are playing casually.
Overall though, I like the build but just fear you might get steamrolled in the magic phase with only a single level 1 wizard and no dispell scrool in a game where the magic phase can quickly break you early on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/18 12:43:38
Subject: [HELP!] First time 2000 Fantasy Daemons of Chaos List
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Sinewy Scourge
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Thanks for the opinion!
I just started out and last time I tried the magic phase I ended up killing myself instead...
And maybe because I'm playing a drawf player I feel like all my magic spells don't go through...
Also, Epidemius is with the plaguebearer squad so would it be bad if I hide him? He also has the BSB which can protect me from those silly Daemonic Instability tests, so is it good or bad to have him out running around?
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40K:
5000+ points W/D/L: 10/0/6
4000+ points W/D/L: 7/0/4
1500+ points W/D/L: 16/1/4
Fantasy
4000+ points W/D/L: 1/1/2
2500+ points W/D/L: 0/0/3
Legends 2013 Doubles Tournament Champion |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/18 13:40:17
Subject: [HELP!] First time 2000 Fantasy Daemons of Chaos List
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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I dont think you can take more than 2 of each level of gift.
You can only take 2 lesser gifts and maybe 1 greater.
Other issues are epidemus. He is not infantry so even if he joins a unit of bearers he can be shot as he is not the same troop type. He is monstrous infantry.
In addition epidemus can not be your BSB. Named characters can not take the bsb role. Only Heralds. He is like a herald, but he is not an actual herald. Dumb I know but that is how it works.
10 man demonette units are way to small. You wont be able to disrupt anyone as they will take casulties and then you cant negate their rank bonuses.
I would take the beasts and make them a unit of 4. With the extra points you can add the two 10 man demonette units together and add more bodies plus a command. Demonettes are weak without support at 3s so you need more bodies!
There is more I could offer but if you try fixing this lists points and units then post again I can critique your next list.
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Da' Burnin Couch 2018 Best Overall
Beef and Wing ITC Major GT Best Overall 2018
2019 ITC #1 Overall Best Admech
LVO 2019 #1 Admech |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/18 17:38:08
Subject: [HELP!] First time 2000 Fantasy Daemons of Chaos List
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Sinewy Scourge
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Lord:
Great Unclean One w/ WL3, Greater - 495
Heroes
Nurgle Herald w/ BSB, WL1, Lesser Locus - 190
Troops:
20 Plague bearers w/ Muscian, Standar bearer, PlagueRidden - 290
10 Daemonettes - 110
10 Daemonettes - 110
Special:
3 Beast of Nurgle - 180
3 Beast of Nurgle - 180
Rare:
Soul Grinder w/ Phelgm Bombardment, Tzeentch - 310
Skull Cannon - 135
Updated!
There's no limit to how many lessers you can take.
I rather that Daemonettes run in MSUs since the whole goal is to have beasts tie units up and Daemonettes to flank them.
And once Daemonic Instability fails, the unit is going to take huge amount of losses, the ranks might help but if I'm flanking it should be ok I guess...
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40K:
5000+ points W/D/L: 10/0/6
4000+ points W/D/L: 7/0/4
1500+ points W/D/L: 16/1/4
Fantasy
4000+ points W/D/L: 1/1/2
2500+ points W/D/L: 0/0/3
Legends 2013 Doubles Tournament Champion |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/18 17:45:07
Subject: [HELP!] First time 2000 Fantasy Daemons of Chaos List
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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1st paragraph page 61 says you can not take more than 2 of each.
You Gould drop the lvl 1 wiz from you herald and make the guo a lvl 4. It's inportant for dispelling purposes to lvl 4.
The demonettes don't do much without magic support and your not giving them any. 10 guys will crumble. Also causing tests on your beasts.
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Da' Burnin Couch 2018 Best Overall
Beef and Wing ITC Major GT Best Overall 2018
2019 ITC #1 Overall Best Admech
LVO 2019 #1 Admech |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/18 17:55:58
Subject: [HELP!] First time 2000 Fantasy Daemons of Chaos List
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Sinewy Scourge
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Icelord wrote:1st paragraph page 61 says you can not take more than 2 of each.
You Gould drop the lvl 1 wiz from you herald and make the guo a lvl 4. It's inportant for dispelling purposes to lvl 4.
The demonettes don't do much without magic support and your not giving them any. 10 guys will crumble. Also causing tests on your beasts.
Sorry about that, didn't see that.
Wouldn't getting an extra chance at channelling winds of magic be better?
I guess casting & dispelling with LV4 might not be bad either...
What is magic support? I guess I can just put 2 units together for a 20 unit instead then?
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40K:
5000+ points W/D/L: 10/0/6
4000+ points W/D/L: 7/0/4
1500+ points W/D/L: 16/1/4
Fantasy
4000+ points W/D/L: 1/1/2
2500+ points W/D/L: 0/0/3
Legends 2013 Doubles Tournament Champion |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/18 17:59:53
Subject: [HELP!] First time 2000 Fantasy Daemons of Chaos List
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Magic support is using spells such as Mindrazor (shadows lore) etc to give combat boosts making your units fight better.
I assum you are using nurgle lore on Guo? If so the toughness debuff is nice but you have to roll it first. Another reason that lvl 4 is better.
Channelling is 17 percent of the time and I would rather cast less spells, but successfully with a higher bonus than more spells the opponent's lvl 4 can dispell.
THe only downfall of the GUO is you can only take death as the other lore. I have been running a keeper of secrets. 10 movement and can take shadow, boosting you units combat effectivemess. Automatically Appended Next Post: I like demonettes at 30 and hoarded (41 attacks!) really good with the herald and ASF.
I would change the beasts to a 4 man and use the extra points to make a second combat block (bigger demonettes or something)
I think you should try your list. If it doesnt go well then try something else. I just dont see 10 mans surviving at t3 with a 5++
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~Ice~
Da' Burnin Couch 2018 Best Overall
Beef and Wing ITC Major GT Best Overall 2018
2019 ITC #1 Overall Best Admech
LVO 2019 #1 Admech |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/18 18:14:51
Subject: [HELP!] First time 2000 Fantasy Daemons of Chaos List
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Sinewy Scourge
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Icelord wrote:Magic support is using spells such as Mindrazor (shadows lore) etc to give combat boosts making your units fight better.
I assum you are using nurgle lore on Guo? If so the toughness debuff is nice but you have to roll it first. Another reason that lvl 4 is better.
Channelling is 17 percent of the time and I would rather cast less spells, but successfully with a higher bonus than more spells the opponent's lvl 4 can dispell.
THe only downfall of the GUO is you can only take death as the other lore. I have been running a keeper of secrets. 10 movement and can take shadow, boosting you units combat effectivemess.
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I like demonettes at 30 and hoarded (41 attacks!) really good with the herald and ASF.
I would change the beasts to a 4 man and use the extra points to make a second combat block (bigger demonettes or something)
I think you should try your list. If it doesnt go well then try something else. I just dont see 10 mans surviving at t3 with a 5++
Yeah, probably Lore of Nurgle, I looked at Lore of Death but it's pretty close to Nurgle...
I do have a KoS but I'm not sure which one would be better...
I guess I could try KoS instead.
Hoard seems pretty good too, hmmm need to assemble more models before I can use it though...
Thanks for the opinion, I'm going to try it tmr and see how it goes
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Lord:
Keeper of Secrets w/ WL3, Greater - 495
Heroes
Slaanesh Herald w/ WL1, BSB, ASF - 200
Troops:
20 Plague bearers w/ Muscian, Standard bearer, PlagueRidden - 290
30 Daemonettes w/ Alluress, Muscian, Standard Bearer - 330
Special:
4 Beasts of Nurgles - 240
Rare:
Soul Grinder w/ Phelgm Bombardment, Tzeentch - 310
Skull Cannon - 135
Updated my list again taking in your opinions, can't have a WL4 since it goes over 500 pts
Let me know
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2013/10/18 22:43:04
40K:
5000+ points W/D/L: 10/0/6
4000+ points W/D/L: 7/0/4
1500+ points W/D/L: 16/1/4
Fantasy
4000+ points W/D/L: 1/1/2
2500+ points W/D/L: 0/0/3
Legends 2013 Doubles Tournament Champion |
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