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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/20 17:29:01
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Sneaky Lictor
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Thanks.
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On building Tyranid army flow chart.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/20 17:30:27
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader
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Yup.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/20 17:34:17
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Sneaky Lictor
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Thought so, just wanted to be sure. Thanks.
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On building Tyranid army flow chart.
Do you have enough Termagaunts?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/20 17:34:47
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Kelne
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Dedicated transports are still a unit, and so count as for the "first unit destroyed" criteria
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/22 13:11:24
Subject: Re:Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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The first blood rule states that the first unit to be "removed as a casualty" grants first blood.
vehicles, going on the wrecked and damage table descriptions are only ever "destroyed", not "removed as casualties"
Where as a unit that has wounds allocated to it are removed as casualties
So does a vehicle, of any type, grant first blood?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 00:04:53
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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The Hammer of Witches
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Yes, it does.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 00:31:45
Subject: Re:Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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DOOMONYOU wrote:The first blood rule states that the first unit to be "removed as a casualty" grants first blood. vehicles, going on the wrecked and damage table descriptions are only ever "destroyed", not "removed as casualties" Where as a unit that has wounds allocated to it are removed as casualties So does a vehicle, of any type, grant first blood?
If you really want to get technical the rules say the first unit that gets removed as a casualty... The only way for this to happen is for sweeping advance or falling back off the board, as Models are removed as casualties not units except for the two cases I just mentioned.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 00:39:33
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 12:16:35
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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Don't get me wrong, I agree that first blood means the first unit removed whether vehicle or infantry etc. But can you support the yes answer with references? In case this is brought up by TFG, so i can ram it back down his throat.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 12:20:58
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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The Hive Mind
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No, the literal RAW does read that way.
What army does he play? There's tons of ways to use literal RAW and show that things aren't always what they intended.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 17:21:44
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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DOOMONYOU wrote:Don't get me wrong, I agree that first blood means the first unit removed whether vehicle or infantry etc. But can you support the yes answer with references? In case this is brought up by TFG, so i can ram it back down his throat.
The Strict RAW reads like this:
The rules say the first unit that gets removed as a casualty (122)... The only way for this to happen is for sweeping advance (26-27) or falling back off the board (30), as Models are removed as casualties (15 & 25) not units except for the two cases I just mentioned.
Check the page numbers for the connected rules.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 17:25:45
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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actually the whole rule for first blood includes the words destroyed, so it doesn't matter in what context you try to throw it out there, the first thing that is removed from the board as a result of an attack scores the first blood condition.
P122 for the First Blood Rule. read the whole thing not just what's in bold.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 18:43:33
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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nutty_nutter wrote:actually the whole rule for first blood includes the words destroyed, so it doesn't matter in what context you try to throw it out there, the first thing that is removed from the board as a result of an attack scores the first blood condition.
P122 for the First Blood Rule. read the whole thing not just what's in bold.
And strict RAW it says that the first unit removed (Or destroyed) the only way for a UNIT to get removed (Or destroyed) is through SA or Falling back off the board edge as units are not removed (Or destroyed) in any other situation than those two. Models can be removed (Or destroyed) but that is not the same as having a unit removed (Or destroyed).
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 19:05:16
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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But if every single model in a unit is Destroyed, would the Unit not be considered Destroyed?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 20:20:25
Subject: Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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grendel083 wrote:But if every single model in a unit is Destroyed, would the Unit not be considered Destroyed? Since there are no rules stating that is the case, No. A better wording would have been: 'If all of the models in a unit are destroyed or removed as a casualty then the opposing player counts as winning the First Blood Objective at the end of the game, Only count the first unit removed in such a manner for the First Blood Objective.'' (This would cover everything, and make sense).
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 21:11:05
Subject: Re:Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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what about vehicles that are wrecked?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 21:16:53
Subject: Re:Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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That's effectively the same question I was asking. A vehicle is usually a unit comprised of a single model. If all models are destroyed, is the unit also counted as destroyed?
Wrecked is described as destroyed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 22:07:58
Subject: Re:Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Irked Necron Immortal
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yes as it is a unit
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/24 05:13:50
Subject: Re:Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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grendel083 wrote:That's effectively the same question I was asking. A vehicle is usually a unit comprised of a single model. If all models are destroyed, is the unit also counted as destroyed?
@grendel083: I can not find any rules that say that, if there are please point me to them. @DJGietzen: Well wrecked = destroyed, it is on page 74 under the wrecked vehicles section.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/24 11:51:18
Subject: Re:Do Dedicated Transports count towards first blood?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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No I can't point them out, hence why I was asking
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