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Chapter Master: The Shield Eternal; artificer armour; power fist. 225

5 Assault Terminators: 5× thunder hammer and storm shield. 225
• Land Raider Redeemer: multi-melta. 250

10 Tactical Marines: meltagun; missile launcher. 165
• Razorback: lascannon; twin-linked plasma gun. 75
10 Tactical Marines: meltagun; missile launcher. 165
• Razorback: lascannon; twin-linked plasma gun. 75
5 Scouts: 4× sniper rifle; missile launcher; camo cloaks. 84

Stormtalon Gunship: Skyhammer missile launcher. 125

Stormraven Gunship: twin-linked lascannon; twin-linked multi-melta; searchlight. 201
Vindicator: dozer blade. 130
Vindicator: dozer blade. 130

1,850 points

So here is my iron hands mech list! Let me know your opinions on it for I might be picking up these models this week. I have a couple conserns though like plasma cannon or missile launcher? I thought missile launcher cause I have some powerful blasts already.Then, combi plas or melta gun on the tacs that are in the razorbacks? Once again, I thank all who contribute!!

I love it. Exactly what I like about IH is the mech lists. Vindicator have never been my thing , but I've heard they do well if you're good . Only concern is you could almost buy two predators for the same price as the raven and the raven isn't transporting anything. I think you should go either raider or raven not both. If you drop the raider you could add a unit of three decked out land speeder typhoons or two more storm talons for a total of 21 shots. You could do the same if you dropped the raven and the dozer blades.

I definitely want to keep the land raider cause it will change my list if I remove it. The idea is to have the land raider, vindis, and razorbacks all moving straight at the enemy. Taking away one of the targets limits the enemy's options of what they should shoot at and that is the power of this list. As for the storm raven I am using it for what it is - a tanky flier. Not only that but it can transport troops, giving me more options when the battle is going to start. I gave it a multi melta and lascannon for hunting other tanky fliers such as helldrakes or FMC.

Razorback is like couchbed - not good bed, not good couch.

If you move it like a transport, it sacrifices shooting. If you sit it still to shoot, it doesn't transport.

It doesn't need to sit still to fire. While it's closing in on the enemy it will be firing long range weaponry. I had assault cannons on them before, but thought that they wouldn't be targeted until just before they move into range, therefore doing nothing.

I just thought razorbacks would go good with ironhands, especially in a list like this.

I don't understand why people are telling you av is no good in an IH list! Stick with it, looks good

Well, the transport capabilities of the SR (or the LRR) seems to be wasted.

If you go the Razorback way, it would be better to split both or one squad and buy them razorbacks as well.
In most games we need only one squad for babysitting the home objective.
In the current codex, i would prefer honour guard in the land raider instead of the termies. You can put a lot more in the field wih a mix of power weapons. They have way more attacks and you can muti-charge so that you can stay safe in combat.
Considering the meta, i believe the invulnerable save is needed mostly outside combat.

You could also take an aegis line (with no upgrades) and palce it midfield and your vindis and razors will have a cover save

Chapter Master: The Shield Eternal; auspex; artificer armour; power fist. 230
• 9 Honour Guards: Chapter Banner. 260

10 Tactical Marines: plasma gun; plasma cannon. 170
• Razorback: lascannon; twin-linked plasma gun. 75
5 Tactical Marines: plasma gun. 85
• Razorback: lascannon; twin-linked plasma gun. 75
5 Tactical Marines: plasma gun. 85
• Razorback: lascannon; twin-linked plasma gun. 75

Stormtalon Gunship: twin-linked lascannon. 140
Stormtalon Gunship: twin-linked lascannon. 140

Vindicator: dozer blade. 130
Vindicator: dozer blade. 130
Land Raider Redeemer: multi-melta. 250

1,845 points

So here is a sample of what this list could be with your suggestions. I took out the storm raven and added talons with lascannons for those heavy armored flyers, changed the termies to honor guard with a chapter banner, took out the scouts and added a tac marine group with an additional razorback, and gave the cm an auspex, marines plasma guns and plasma cannon.

I don't know.. Is it with dropping the armored storm raven for honor guard in lr? Do I have enough troops now?it seems like only 20 bodies in 1850 is too little. What do you guys think?

Allow me to elaborate on the Razorback concern.

A lot of people use these to either sit back and shoot (75pt TL Lascannon or Las/TL Plas is pretty nice, I'll admit). Oftentimes this is with a 5man squad or combat squadded 10man with their heavy weapon beside it. Not a bad plan, but if you Las/Plas it and do this then the plasma is wasted alongside four bolters until the enemy gets within 24'', at which point you may as well have gone to them.

If you try to use the Razorback to push forward you're limited by its halved transport capacity so it just can't move as many marines across the board. Not really a problem most of the time, but this is huge in kill points because five-man squads are not difficult to remove. Black Templars get around this because Crusader Squads get to special/heavy at 5 rather than 10, making the most of their reduced numbers.

In an IH list I would prefer rhinos and more fleshed out tac squads. I'd use the rhinos as a screen for the vindicators (same chasis, same size) and block LoS to them until you're ready to take a shot. They're also great for convening cover saves to Land Raiders, for that extra durability boost. I say this specific to your list, because the Vindicators and LR speak towards aggressive forward advance while the Razorbacks want to sit back (AV11 will save you from nothing). If you were to amend this to a gunline with Las/Plas or Lasbacks, Thunderfire Cannons, etc. then I'd like the Razorbacks more.

Chapter Master: The Shield Eternal; artificer armour; power fist. 225
• 7 Honour Guards: Chapter Banner. 210

10 Tactical Marines: Space Marine Sergeant (combi-plasma); missile launcher. 165
• Razorback: twin-linked assault cannon. 75
10 Tactical Marines: Space Marine Sergeant (combi-plasma); missile launcher. 165
• Razorback: twin-linked assault cannon. 75
5 Tactical Marines: Space Marine Sergeant (combi-plasma). 80
• Razorback: twin-linked assault cannon. 75

Stormtalon Gunship: twin-linked lascannon. 140
Stormtalon Gunship: twin-linked lascannon. 140

Vindicator 125
Vindicator 125
Land Raider Redeemer: multi-melta. 250

1,850 points

So now I have assault cannon razorbacks who would be moving with my armor.

What is your take on the ACbacks, lascannon stormtalons, and combi plas marines (should I change em to meltas)?

I also had to take off dozerblades to fit it all.. would you recommend finding points for them?


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I COULD take off 1 more honor guard (going down to 6) and fit everything I need such as full on plasma guns and dozerblades for my vindis but what do think?

I thought the 1st list was better. Assault termis are THE assault unit to have. And that landraider isnt going to be shot at much with 2 vindis alongside it! Id change it to a crusader though if you are only pushing your tanks 6" forward a turn (redeemer is my favourite mind).
The stormraven is just a far more bigger threat than 1 more stormtalon and one more razorback! Although dropping the scouts if you already have tacs sitting back wasnt a bad idea, I would spend those points on a deepstriking double multimelta armed landspeeder for a nasty surprise.

one small note on the list. i see that you had one extra point and gave storm raven searchlight.

storm raven is in reserve and will miss night fighting anyways.

better spent one of the vindicators, which will be on turn one when night fighting can accure.

If you are taking fast and heavy you want to take stormtalons and thunderfire cannons.

If you're going to take assault terminators take your hq in terminator armor as well and deep strike all of them and dispense with the land raider.

I've done what you're trying with the razorbacks but they are just not durable enough to last. So, I stopped doing it.

I own two land raiders and a stormraven but the only real use for the land raiders is as a dedicated transport for models who can't deep strike ie black templar crusader squads or Centurion devastators

The stormtalons are much better per point than the stormraven and you put the stormraven at risk by using it as a transport.

If you populate your fast and heavy with talons and thunderfire then you have a lot of money left over for the other things.

if it's iron hands id consider a dreadnought or two, ironclad if you have the model.

Chapter Master: The Shield Eternal; auspex; artificer armour; power fist. 230
• 7 Honour Guards: Chapter Banner. 210

10 Tactical Marines: plasma gun; missile launcher. 170
• Razorback: lascannon; twin-linked plasma gun. 75
10 Tactical Marines: plasma gun; missile launcher. 170
• Razorback: lascannon; twin-linked plasma gun. 75
5 Tactical Marines: plasma gun. 85
• Razorback: lascannon; twin-linked plasma gun. 75

Stormtalon Gunship: Skyhammer missile launcher. 125
Stormtalon Gunship: Skyhammer missile launcher. 125

Vindicator: dozer blade. 130
Vindicator: dozer blade. 130
Land Raider Redeemer: multi-melta. 250

1,850 points

So after reading all your posts and some thought this is what the result is.