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If a commander has his body guard with him can he join another unit and bring them or does he have to leave his bodyguard to join?

Brutal Viking wrote:
If a commander has his body guard with him can he join another unit and bring them or does he have to leave his bodyguard to join?

He would have to leave his body guard to join another unit.

Please note that drones purchased with the commander do not count for this. i.e. The commander can join a unit with his own drones attached.

Yeah that's what I figured lol, that's unfortunate :(

So would the bodyguards count as a separate HQ unit if they detach?

XV8 bodyguards are a separate HQ choice that does not take up a slot on the table (says it right in the codex).

So if you detach him you 2 hq units. so you can't detach him if you already have 2 hqs

zilka86 wrote:
So if you detach him you 2 hq units. so you can't detach him if you already have 2 hqs

What?

You can have 2 Commanders each with their own bodyguard. Each Commander and Bodyguard is a separate unit so you would have 4 units using 2 FOC slots.

But if you detach the commanders then you have 4hq mean ur cheating . That's how i been playing it that why in my sm army i never take company command squad so i can take take 2 hq captions


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But if you detach the commanders then you have 4hq mean ur cheating . That's how i been playing it that why in my sm army i never take company command squad so i can take take 2 hq captions

First there is no limit to how many units an army can have, only on how many FOC slots you can use.
An IG army could theoretically have 120 Troops units only using 6 FOCs.
Second, some units do not use an FOC slot. While they might be a specific FOC type (HQ, Elite, Troop, etc) they do not count as a slot and thus you could theoretically have an unlimited number (they usually have restrictions on how many you can take though).
Third, there is no requirement for a Commander to be joined to his Bodyguard. Not since the new codex anyway.

A commander and his body guard are 2hq and they stay and fight together if plan on detach him then you can't have another hq

Please give me a page number where it says you can only have two HQ units in a single primary detachment.

It say in foc that you can only have 2hqs so a commander and body guard are ur 2hqa same as space marines caption and command squad

You have 2 FOC slots for HQs. The Bodyguards do not use a slot. Therefore, if you take a Commander and Bodyguard, then you have used one FOC slot. Leaving you with a second FOC slot for HQs.

But body guard are a hq unit so take up a a hq slot if you detach a commander if commander stay with its only one hq unit

If you have the Tau codex (the new one), I suggest you look at page 98, under XV8 Crisis Bodyguard Team and re-read the second sentence carefully. Specifically the one that says "This unit does not take up a Force Organisation slot."
If you have the old Tau codex, the point is moot as the Commander cannot leave his Bodyguards and must wait til they are all dead to be an IC.

I have new still play it my why as i feel that you be cheating if you had to command squad and detch commander you have 4hq. that's cheating in my book

How is it cheating? There is no limit to the number of units an army can take, only the number of FOC slots.

An IG army fielding nothing but Infnatry platoons can have anywhere from 6 to 120 Troop units in a single FOC.

Think of it in terms of a dedicated transport. You're not violating anything by taking two troops with transports in an allied list. The unit doesn't need to be in the transport, but they unlock the ability to purchase one.

If you take one IG platoon with 5squads and ther hq unit that's 6troop ant it

The body guard do not take up an HQ slot. Same way with Space Marine Command squads. The codex says very clearly that the unit does not take up an HQ slot.

zilka86 wrote:
But body guard are a hq unit so take up a a hq slot if you detach a commander if commander stay with its only one hq unit

Dude, he just told you (correctly) that the bodyguard unit does not take up an hq slot in the force organization chart.

It doesn't say "This unit takes up a force organization slot if the commander detaches" - it says "this unit does not take up a force organization chart slot. Period.


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zilka86 wrote:
I have new still play it my why as i feel that you be cheating if you had to command squad and detch commander you have 4hq. that's cheating in my book

Then you'd be wrong.



If i take a dedicated Landraider for my deathwing knights, and then i take the max force organization chart allowance of Heavy Support in addition, am i cheating ?

No, and if you think otherwise, you need to re-read the rules. This could not be clearer (unlike your posts).

-- Haight

OMG my head hurts reading this...
you can take 2 commanders with 2 bodyguard units

That is 2 HQ slots

if you detach the commanders,,, its still ONLY 2 SLOTS...

It doesn't just double while your playing
THEY DONT TAKE UP A SLOT

zilka86 wrote:
If you take one IG platoon with 5squads and ther hq unit that's 6troop ant it

Nope! You have six troop units, but only one troop FOC choice. Isn't counting fun?

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Think of it in terms of a dedicated transport. You're not violating anything by taking two troops with transports in an allied list. The unit doesn't need to be in the transport, but they unlock the ability to purchase one.

This is right, and is exactly how I use my Drop pods with Deathwind launchers as deep striking turrets.

OP, while it's admirable to think that way and not want to negatively impact your opponent, it's not cheating, you are ham stringing yourself by not taking advantage of the rules. If I was playing you for example and you didn't let me do the same as has been suggested here, I would suggest you were cheating regardless of your intention.

It's in the rules. I hope that perspective helps.

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By the way, for the ones flaming the OP, please stop, it's clear that english isn't his first language and he is probably just struggling with comprehension. You are coming across as arrogant gakkers.

zilka86 wrote:It say in foc that you can only have 2hqs so a commander and body guard are ur 2hqa same as space marines caption and command squad

bodyguards dont use up an FOC slot. so 2 HQ suits and bodyguards are fine, and legit.

zilka86 wrote:But body guard are a hq unit so take up a a hq slot if you detach a commander if commander stay with its only one hq unit

except they dont take up a slot. any idiot can read a codex and show you where it says you can actually do this.

zilka86 wrote:I have new still play it my why as i feel that you be cheating if you had to command squad and detch commander you have 4hq. that's cheating in my book

then you're wrong, as usual. But considering you're the person who didnt know how a str8 weapon wounded a t6 model on a 2+, i'm not surprised though.

zilka86 wrote:If you take one IG platoon with 5squads and ther hq unit that's 6troop ant it

ha. ha ha. hoo hoo. hee hee hee. brilliant. sig worthy zilka, and that right there is the definition of "not getting it".

But no. thats not how it works. you have it completely ass backwards. Seriously, do people not point these things out to you in real life?

One IG platoon has a platoon HQ, 2-6 squads of guardsmen, and whatever else. that takes up a grand total of one FOC in the troops slots. thats 1x troops choice[i][u]. thats how they work. any five year old can read the codex and come to the same conclusion mate. maybe you should, you know, read the codex? [i][u]

I reckon you lot are just feeding the poor troll

 yankeedave wrote:
I reckon you lot are just feeding the poor troll

This. You're talking to a well-known troll who deliberately makes up stupid "interpretations" of the rules to provoke a reaction. Just ignore him and he'll go away.

zilka86 wrote:
But if you detach the commanders then you have 4hq mean ur cheating . That's how i been playing it that why in my sm army i never take company command squad so i can take take 2 hq captions


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But if you detach the commanders then you have 4hq mean ur cheating . That's how i been playing it that why in my sm army i never take company command squad so i can take take 2 hq captions

It was posted above your response here. The bodyguard do not take up any slots, so they do not count towards the number of HQs need for a legal force, despite the fact that they are HQ types.

i.e. When counting up your number of HQ choices for legality purposes in the example you listed.

Commander 1 - Yes, count him

Commander 2 - Yes, count him

Bodyguard 1 - No, do not count them

Bodyguard 2 - No, do not count them

So you still only have two choices.


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zilka86 wrote:
I have new still play it my why as i feel that you be cheating if you had to command squad and detch commander you have 4hq. that's cheating in my book

Its not cheating. This a well clarrified rule. Anything that does not take up a force organisation slot funnily enough doesn't take up a force organisation slot. That is what it says. Crisis bodyguards do not take up a force organisation slot.

 DarthOvious wrote:

zilka86 wrote:
But if you detach the commanders then you have 4hq mean ur cheating . That's how i been playing it that why in my sm army i never take company command squad so i can take take 2 hq captions


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But if you detach the commanders then you have 4hq mean ur cheating . That's how i been playing it that why in my sm army i never take company command squad so i can take take 2 hq captions

It was posted above your response here. The bodyguard do not take up any slots, so they do not count towards the number of HQs need for a legal force, despite the fact that they are HQ types.

i.e. When counting up your number of HQ choices for legality purposes in the example you listed.

Commander 1 - Yes, count him

Commander 2 - Yes, count him

Bodyguard 1 - No, do not count them

Bodyguard 2 - No, do not count them

So you still only have two choices.


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zilka86 wrote:
I have new still play it my why as i feel that you be cheating if you had to command squad and detch commander you have 4hq. that's cheating in my book

Its not cheating. This a well clarrified rule. Anything that does not take up a force organisation slot funnily enough doesn't take up a force organisation slot. That is what it says. Crisis bodyguards do not take up a force organisation slot.

Don't bother with him, like the guys before me said, he's trolled a few threads before, claiming ignorance to get a reaction, I'm surprised he hasn't been banned by now.