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Right, so I've been thinking over these two lists and figured I'd throw this out to the wolves. I should mention that the tourney I'm playing in has one of each deployment type with a meta strong with 3+ saves and 1-3 flyers depending on the army. No I don't have more flyers but while I do have an ADL/bastion but I wanted to stray from a gunline list.

Salamander/White Scars run thusly

Librarian lvl 2 with Shield of Eternity
9 man tac with combi flamer/MB and flamer
Drop Pod

10 man tac with combi melta/MB and MM
Drop Pod

Ironclad with a HF, assault launcher
Drop Pod

5 Vanguard with 5 SS, 3LC and 4 MB
Storm Raven with MM and PC

Storm Talon with TML

Ally

Kahn on Moondrakken

Full bike squad with 2 grav guns and MM attack bike

Full bike squad with 2 meltaguns and MM attack bike

Typhoon Speeder

The plan is to put pressure on both fronts with 2 flyers for AA and Vanguard for fun/counter attacks for objective contesting.



OR have White Scars with Salamander allies

Kahn with bike

Full bike squad with 2 grav guns and MM attack bike

Full bike squad with 2 meltaguns and MM attack bike

Typhoon Speeder

5 terminators with 3 LCs and 2 TH/SS
Land Raider

Librarian lvl 2 with Shield of Eternity
6 man tac with combi flamer/MB and flamer
Drop Pod

10 man tac with combi melta/MB and MM
Drop Pod

Ironclad with a HF, assault launcher
Drop Pod

Storm Talon with TML

In this one I lose a flyer and 3 tactical marines but switch out the Raven and Vanguard for 5 terminators in a LR all with Scout if Kahn is the Warlord.

I like the second list much more. I don't like Khan as a non-warlord, you are paying too much for his out ability that you don't get to use.

Khan is less expensive than a Chapter Master and Captain will be, but the important thing to remember is that your Bikes and units in a Dedicated Transport only get Scout if he's the Warlord. If you don't care about Scout on those units, then he still comes out cheaper than the other two options will be (barring them being naked).

But the bigger question is why not just have them all be White Scars? You aren't doing anything to take advantage of the Salamander's Chapter Trait (which only affects flame weapons; you need Vulkan as your Warlord to affect Melta). Seriously, you have one unit that has a Combi-Flamer and a Flamer and nothing else with a Flamer. The Salamander Chapter trait does you nothing.

But the White Scars... They give every unit with Chapter Traits Hit and Run. Which for your Drop Pod boyos is damned helpful!

So in short: make it 2000 point White Scars or scrap the list as it currently stands.

Indeed I have been leaning towards the 2nd list for the scout fun but the reason I'm not going all in WS is most of my models are Salamander so green Talon and marines may be frowned upon.

Also, not all the CT for the Sallies is lost. My characters (all three...hmm) have master crafted weapons and reroll flame wounds.

I appreciate the replies and any tricks/tactics to change things up!

PS For the record I usually place in the bottom third at tourneys so I am fully prepared to just have fun and suck hard and die

 mrwhoop wrote:
Also, not all the CT for the Sallies is lost. My characters (all three...hmm) have master crafted weapons and reroll flame wounds.

The Librarian and Sergeants can have Master Crafted, but Kor'Sarro can't. Not sure if you were thinking he could or not. I don't see Master-Crafted as more vital than Hit and Run for the lists as written. /shrug to each their own.

Well right he can't that's why I said three; the librarian, and two sergeants. And the WS have Hit and Run regardless it's the Scout that I wouldn't have if I went Sallie/WS. Though I have been thinking about going for the 2nd list with the WS as the main detachment more and more.

Oh well, the games are this weekend so I'll show my resulting decision by way of batreps