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Hello all,
I'm pretty new to playing 40k and have only played a few games of 6th edition and was wondering if anyone could give me some good criticism for my list.
Here it is:
HQ (245pts)
Big Mek (110pts)
KFF, Burna, 'Eavy armour
Warboss (135pts)
PK, Warbike, Cybork body, Bosspole

Elites (240pts)
8x Lootas
8x Lootas

Troops (882pts)
12x Slugga/Choppa Boyz Trukk (117)+35pts)
Nob, PK, Bosspole
Big Shoota
12x Slugga/Choppa Boyz Trukk (117)+35pts)
Nob, PK, Bosspole
Big Shoota
12x Shoota Boyz Trukk (117)+35pts)
Nob, PK, Bosspole
Big Shoota
19x Shoota Boyz (149pts)
Nob, PK, Bosspole
Big Shoota
Nobz (435pts)
Painboy, Warbike, Cybork Body
(PK, Bosspole, Cybork Body, Shoota/Skorcha, Warbike) x2
(Big Choppa, Cybork Body, Shoota/Skorcha, Warbike) x2
Waaaagh! Banner, Cybork Body

Fast Attack (255pts)
2x Deffkoptas (90pts)
TL Rokkits
6x Warbikes (165pts)
Nob, Bosspole

Heavy Support (240pts)
Battlewagon (120pts)
Deff Rolla, 2x Big Shootas
Battlewagon (120 pts)
Deff Rolla, 2x Big Shootas

In case of any questions about the 19 Boyz I was going to run them with the big mek in the battle wagon. A unit of lootas is in the other battle wagon

Any criticism is welcome as long as it is helpful.

I don't use Speed Freekz much, but from my untrained eye, looks good! I'll be watching this space so I can learn a bit more about Speed Freek army lists

This is a start for a speed army, however i would do one of 2 things, either split the deffkoptas into separate units, both would then act as 2 awesome distraction units!

OR get rid altogether and drop in a dakkajet which imo is the MUCH better choice

Seconding splitting the koptas.

Bikers aren't great if not taken as troops, you could afford to cut these as well.

Personally I've never found the Burna on the Big Mek to be any good. 20pts for what, one shot of flamer before he gets stuck in? I'd rather 5pts more for a power fist.

Throw a Kombi-Skorcha and Attack Squig on the boss I reckon

Despite everything above being criticism or alterations, really well designed list.

I'm afraid that I don't have much advice to offer - I failed so badly at Kult of Speed in 6th that I just stopped trying - but I can offer a couple tips.

Firstly, give every Trukk a Reinforced Ram. That way you can drive wherever on the board takes your fancy, and nary a crap given for dangerous terrain tests. That is really vital to keep you moving.

I was always disappointed by the Deffkoptas. They are surprisingly tough, but paying 45pts for a single BS2 TL Krak missile just isn't a good return. Unless your opponent runs loads of Crisis Suits out in the open, they just never do damage.

Dakkamite wrote:Seconding splitting the koptas.

Bikers aren't great if not taken as troops, you could afford to cut these as well.

Personally I've never found the Burna on the Big Mek to be any good. 20pts for what, one shot of flamer before he gets stuck in? I'd rather 5pts more for a power fist.

Throw a Kombi-Skorcha and Attack Squig on the boss I reckon

Despite everything above being criticism or alterations, really well designed list.

Charles Rampant wrote:I'm afraid that I don't have much advice to offer - I failed so badly at Kult of Speed in 6th that I just stopped trying - but I can offer a couple tips.

Firstly, give every Trukk a Reinforced Ram. That way you can drive wherever on the board takes your fancy, and nary a crap given for dangerous terrain tests. That is really vital to keep you moving.

I was always disappointed by the Deffkoptas. They are surprisingly tough, but paying 45pts for a single BS2 TL Krak missile just isn't a good return. Unless your opponent runs loads of Crisis Suits out in the open, they just never do damage.

I always run my KFF mek with a burna, sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. Hiding my mek within my slugga boys until we get close to charge range, move him to the front ranks. Overwatch with a burna is just lethal. I agree, it is a very good list.

And also, a Trukk with reinforced ram is kind of a necessity, our trukks are so fragile a gentle breeze will wreck them, so they need to go as far as they can as fast as they can, don't expect them to last more than 2 turns, and you don't want any terrain screwing up your plans. I'd also suggest the RPJ for that extra inch!

Battle wagons need Red paint. T1, move 13 + 7 for boost. T2 move 7, unload then assault.

Sounds like the main criticisms of my list is that the deffkopta squad needs splitting or replacement with a dakkajet. Are red paint jobs for it for the battlewagons and reinforced rams for the trukks?
Does my boss need the kombi-skorcha and attack squig ( I think 1 attack extra of S10 won't make much difference if I already have 5 on the charge)? What should I add if I get rid of the bikes?
I am rather new to 40k so I have little experience of what works well. Totally separate idea here, would wazdakka be worth it for 2500 pts for up to 12 units of scoring bikes?

THANKS,
HBMarley.

 FeindusMaximus wrote:
Battle wagons need Red paint. T1, move 13 + 7 for boost. T2 move 7, unload then assault.

You dont boost 1+ as it's not in the movement phase... BUT being a fast veichle, you can Flat out 12 inches.

13+12 in round 1 , followed by 7 + jump out six charge 2d6 yeh you can get far

Big Mek, Swap Heavy Armour for Cybork
WarBoss..Does not need the boss pole ..
Lootas Split into 3 groups of 5 each
Deffkoptas split into to single units (one is all you need to whip the Warboss up )
What is riding in the second battle wagon ..?
Take unit of shoota boys in trukk lose the trukk and load them in second wagon with more boyz ..

I would keep the deffkoptas but split them up and get a dakkajet, can't remember how many points they are but should leave you enough to get rams on the trukks and paint on your wagons.

Okay,
So the general verdict is add a unit of 20 Shoota boyz in BW, split the deffkoptas, red paint jobs for BWs, rams on trukks and a dakkajet.
I'll write a revised list when I can find some time.
Thanks,
HBMarley


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Here's the revised list:

HQ (230pts)

Big Mek (115pts)
KFF, Cybork Body, 'Eavy Armour
Warboss (135pts)
PK, Warbike, Cybork Body, Kombi-Skorcha

Elites (240pts)
8x Lootas (120pts)
8x Lootas " "

Troops (1059)
12x Slugga Boyz (152pts)
Trukk, Reinforced ram, Red paint job
Nob, PK, BP
Big Shoota
12x Slugga Boyz (152pts)
Trukk, Reinforced ram, Red paint job
Nob, PK, BP
Big Shoota
20x Shoota Boyz (160pts) (in Battlewagon)
Nob, PK, BP
2xBig Shoota
19x Shoota Boyz (149pts) (in Battlewagon)
Nob, PK, BP
Big Shoota
Nobz (440pts)
Painboy, Warbike, Cybork Body
(PK, BP, Cybork Body, Shoota/Skorcha, Warbike) x2
(Big Choppa, Cybork Body, Shoota/Skorcha, Warbike) x2
Waaaagh! Banner, Cybork Body, Big Choppa
Stikk Bombz

Fast Attack (220pts)
Deffkopta (45pts)
TL Rokkit Launcha
Deffkopta (45pts)
TL Rokkit Launcha
Dakkajet (130pts)
3x TL Supa Shoota
Fighta Ace

Heavy Support (250pts)
Battlewagon (125pts)
Deff Rolla, 2x Big Shootas, Red Paint Job
Battlewagon (125pts)
Deff Rolla, 2x Big Shootas, Red paint Job

Total(1999pts)
Again, any constructive criticism is welcome, please point out any gaping holes in this list.
Thanks,
HBMarley

Looks good to me ..should be an effective list.