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threw something together, thought divination+scouts might work

Tiggy - 165

sternguard - 6 man, 2x combi melta, 1x combi grav, razorback(TL HB) - 227

tacts - 10 man, 1x plasmagun, rhino - 190

tacts - 10 man, 1x plasmagun, rhino - 190

scouts - 10 man, 8x snipers, 1x ML(flak), telion, cloaks - 203

stormtalon - typhoon - 145

stormraven - TL AC, TL MM - 200

devs - 5 man, 4x PC - 130

ADL - 50

1500/1500

Where's tigarus going to go ??

And there's not alot of anti tank either

flakk flakk worse than krak.

flakk missiles suck dont bother with them. one s7 shot wont do anything vs any flier.

I'm an UM player too, who also has Tigurius with a Telion-lead sniper scout squad behind an Aegis. I can emphatically say it is pure awesome-sauce. Prescience, Misfortune and Foreboding (if that's the one with the 4++ save rather than counter-attack).

My two cents, considering my recent success with my list. I assume you've got Telion to make it a 2+ cover save behind the Aegis. However without Telion manning the quad gun, 50 is expensive for him to just add Stealth to the squad.

Drop the combi-grav in the sternguard as the special ammo does it for you, for nothing. I'd personally use a drop pod rather than a razorback, but that's just me.

Drop the flakk in the scouts and the devs. Use the cheaper skyhammer missile launcher for the Talon and stick another one in there.

So it would be something like this:

Tiggy - 165

sternguard - 6 man, 2x combi melta, drop pod - 227

tacts - 10 man, 1x plasmagun, rhino - 190

tacts - 10 man, 1x plasmagun, rhino - 190

scouts - 10 man, 9x snipers, telion, cloaks - 203

stormtalon - skyhammer

stormtalon - skyhammer

stormraven - TL AC, TL MM - 200

ADL w/ Quad - 50

1482/1500

A few points left over for play. If you do want the razor for definite, perhaps put something heavy on the top of it with the left overs.

smithy12262 wrote:
I'm an UM player too, who also has Tigurius with a Telion-lead sniper scout squad behind an Aegis. I can emphatically say it is pure awesome-sauce. Prescience, Misfortune and Foreboding (if that's the one with the 4++ save rather than counter-attack).

My two cents, considering my recent success with my list. I assume you've got Telion to make it a 2+ cover save behind the Aegis. However without Telion manning the quad gun, 50 is expensive for him to just add Stealth to the squad.

Drop the combi-grav in the sternguard as the special ammo does it for you, for nothing. I'd personally use a drop pod rather than a razorback, but that's just me.

Drop the flakk in the scouts and the devs. Use the cheaper skyhammer missile launcher for the Talon and stick another one in there.

So it would be something like this:

Tiggy - 165

sternguard - 6 man, 2x combi melta, drop pod - 227

tacts - 10 man, 1x plasmagun, rhino - 190

tacts - 10 man, 1x plasmagun, rhino - 190

scouts - 10 man, 9x snipers, telion, cloaks - 203

stormtalon - skyhammer

stormtalon - skyhammer

stormraven - TL AC, TL MM - 200

ADL w/ Quad - 50

1482/1500

A few points left over for play. If you do want the razor for definite, perhaps put something heavy on the top of it with the left overs.

I like this list a lot and may steal it, I would just personally drop a stormtalon to get some Devs, maybe some LC ones for some concise Anti-Tank in case of a pesky landraiders or monoliths. Or barring that get TL-LC stormtalons so you have all your bases covered, unless they also have an quad gun, then you may be boned. I love my Stormtalons but they die to Quads like nothing else.

ADL is 50 Quad is 50 = 100?

 FeindusMaximus wrote:
ADL is 50 Quad is 50 = 100?

You're right. I put it in the calculations, but didn't type it down right. My bad.


I know that Talons can take a kicking, but if you can take out the Aegis first time with the Snipers and the Aegis. (Not taking rending sniper shots into account)

4 shots with Aegis - 4 hits (Telion's WS and T/L) - 2 wounds.
9 sniper rounds, 4.5 hits - prescience - 6/7 hits - 3/3.5 wounds.

= Roughly 5.5/6 wounds.

It's fail 1/3 saves with the 3+ save. Any rending will only be 4+ cover.

So with a bit of luck, you can take it down before it intercepts you. Even if it does intcercept, you'll probably not lose a Talon, and even if you do. Focus all your fliers on the AA, make sure it's definitely dead. And you'll be able to fly around largely unhurt.

I agree with smithy on this, more fliers stay alive longer and its easy to kill a two wound gun with a 3+/4+ cover.

if anything give it a try and reply on what you thing,
i personally live grav guns over plasma (because plasma can kill you) and grav can kill AV 14 with a bit of luck.

hope any of this helps.

 Arbiter wrote:
I agree with smithy on this, more fliers stay alive longer and its easy to kill a two wound gun with a 3+/4+ cover.

Agreement on Dakka?! :O

I've got 1800 points planned with 3 Stormtalons, 1 Stormraven and 2 Vendettas (Guard allies). I honestly can't see most people taking enough anti-flier to prove a serious issue.

 Arbiter wrote:
I agree with smithy on this, more fliers stay alive longer and its easy to kill a two wound gun with a 3+/4+ cover.

if anything give it a try and reply on what you thing,
i personally live grav guns over plasma (because plasma can kill you) and grav can kill AV 14 with a bit of luck.

hope any of this helps.

Thats a good idea, and if you escort the raven on theres more targets to hit at once, giving your boys just a little more time to take out anti-flyer threats. Ive had several unlucky games where a talon was iced the moment it touched the board.

Id still suggest 1 or both talons with lascannons just so you have better anti tank coverage (and believe me, i am a big proponent of skyhammers!)

In that list, yeah - lascannons. However if you have anti tank elsewhere, then skyhammers are your best bet.