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It is my understanding that you are allowed to base your models on bases that are larger then the ones the come with to a degree. But at what point does this become MFA? If I were to have a whole unit of 30 boyz on 40mm bases, wouldn't that give me a huge advantage when spreading them out to avoid templates?

I didn't do this, but I do base all of my "more important" models on 40mm bases such as big meks, nobz, and warbosses whether or not they come on 40mm bases.

It's also worth noting that it would give the opponent an advantage if the boyz are in combat due to not being able to get as many boyz in to attack.

What do you all think?

The rules assume that models are on the base they come with, so for Boyz, 25mm bases.

The only time it would be acceptable (IMO) to have a model on a larger base is:
a) Scenery. If the base is scenic then it is acceptable, as long as it is treated as the normal size.
b) Proxies made before actual release. If a model has no miniature, and you make one using a different model (such as Carnifex -> Tervigon) then being on the wrong size base, would be fine.
c) The base changed for the model. If you have old RT Terminators (or was it SH?), the metal ones on 25mm base, then that's OK. All I ask in this case is you use the same size base within the unit.

As far as I'm concerned, it is modeling for advantage if your opponent says, "Do you mind running that as if it were on the correct base?" and you say "Yes".

This used to be the case in 5th edition, but in 6th you are only allowed to base models on the bases supplied. The only models which have any real flexibility here are Daemons, since they come with both round and square bases, but most people prefer seeing 40K Daemons on round bases and Fantasy Daemons on square bases.

That said, Rule of Cool is in full force with this situation - most people won't care if Nobz, Mekz etc are on 40mm bases, as long as it's clearly not being done for the game bonus.

Aelyn - you have that backwards. Perhaps reading the box out on page 3 would help.

rigeld2 wrote:
Aelyn - you have that backwards. Perhaps reading the box out on page 3 would help.

You mean the one that doesn't actually give permission to base differently, but states that sometimes player may have "unusually based models" (which covers, for example, scenic bases or older models) or the cases where models aren't supplied with a base at all being given "a base of appropriate size"; the first falls squarely into Rule of Cool, which I covered, and the second is almost completely irrelevant since to the best of my knowledge, no nonvehicle in the game is supplied without a base?

The point of my post was that in Fifth Edition you had explicit permission to increase base size. That is no longer true; the rules now assume models are based on the bases supplied, as described in the boxout on page 3. What do I have backwards there, pray tell?

 Lord Arturius wrote:
I didn't do this, but I do base all of my "more important" models on 40mm bases such as big meks, nobz, and warbosses whether or not they come on 40mm bases.

Just a little FYI: all non-named Ork HQ's (Warboss, Mek, Wierdboy) are all supplied on a 40mm base.
Only nobs are on 25mm

The current rule is to use the base the model is supplied with, the one exception being sticking older models onto same size bases as newer models (eg: old Meganobs were once on 25mm base, sticking them on 40mm like the newer models).

In previous editions there was mention of sticking characters on a larger base, but that rule is no longer present. Still most people I know wouldn't mind if it made the model more dramatic.

Thanks for the feedback. It is mainly for the ability to differentiate other then the physical characteristics of the model. I find that nobz look plain silly on 25mm bases.

I didn't know that you couldn't actually increase the base size if desired but I can certainly see why.

You all keep referring to the "boxout on page 3" is the in reference to the BRB?

It is. It's the page that also talks about characterstics and units

 grendel083 wrote:
... the one exception being sticking older models onto same size bases as newer models (eg: old Meganobs were once on 25mm base, sticking them on 40mm like the newer models).

While a lot of players do this, and it's generally acceptable, there is no such exception in the rules.

 insaniak wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
... the one exception being sticking older models onto same size bases as newer models (eg: old Meganobs were once on 25mm base, sticking them on 40mm like the newer models).

While a lot of players do this, and it's generally acceptable, there is no such exception in the rules.

Would that not fall under the "mount the model on a base of appropriate size" from page 3?

That's talking about a model that for should have a base but didn't come with one. Nothing to do with altering old models.

So, say this is a tournament setting, would models with larger bases that don't normally come with them (i.e. Nobs with 40mm bases) be accepted? Or would that depend on the tournament rules/TO?

Depends entirely on the tournament.


From my experience, so long as you don't go too crazy with it, and the base looks appropriate for the model, most players and TOs won't have an issue with it though.

Aelyn wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Aelyn - you have that backwards. Perhaps reading the box out on page 3 would help.

You mean the one that doesn't actually give permission to base differently, but states that sometimes player may have "unusually based models" (which covers, for example, scenic bases or older models) or the cases where models aren't supplied with a base at all being given "a base of appropriate size"; the first falls squarely into Rule of Cool, which I covered, and the second is almost completely irrelevant since to the best of my knowledge, no nonvehicle in the game is supplied without a base?

The point of my post was that in Fifth Edition you had explicit permission to increase base size. That is no longer true; the rules now assume models are based on the bases supplied, as described in the boxout on page 3. What do I have backwards there, pray tell?

5th edition had no such allowance - 6th does for unusually based models.
That's what you have backwards.

Aelyn wrote:
... to the best of my knowledge, no nonvehicle in the game is supplied without a base?

Attack Bikes do not have a base.