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Answer^: No

New Question: Does shooting between two skimmers provide cover? Does shooting between two hovering flyers give cover?

The gap between a model and its base isn't "gaps between models in an intervening unit"

So in other words, if I build models that thematically would fly in a position that's high up, they would not provide cover?

That would be Modelling for Advantage though. Depending on how your gaming group handles that sort of thing.

If your shooting an enemy infantry squad with some fire warriors, underneath a devilfish (which is something a friend of mine did or does), I would at the very least give that person a 6+ cover save, or at least roll for the chance of a cover save. On a 4+ he'd get a 5+ cover or something.

Because lets face it, its a little bit cheesy tactic, and in the middle of a battle might be hard to do, as your infantry would have to hit the dirt, aim, shoot, try not to the guys in front of them, and try not to hit the transport. I think either rolling for the chance of a cover save or at least giving the guy a 6+ is fair.

As far as I know its a True Line of Sight thing.

Get down and look and see if the firewarriors can see the models under the gap. If the skimmers are on their standard sized base with the taller shaft, I would think they could see, but I'm almost certain the devilfish would be obscuring some of the enemy models, so a cover save would be granted.

The jet pack guys are a bit different because they don't come with hover bases so it could be considered Modeling for advantage, so that would just have to be asked before each game and don't over-do their hover height.

The people that I game with make this kind of thing really easy. We just use real line of sight in all cases (except smoke launchers, jink etc). I highly recommend it. Cuts down on confusion.

 Shadelkan wrote:
So in other words, if I build models that thematically would fly in a position that's high up, they would not provide cover?

If the models are at least partially obscuring the target, or the shot passes between them, the target gets cover. Whether your models are standing on the ground or on 10" poles makes no difference to this principle.

 insaniak wrote:

 Shadelkan wrote:
So in other words, if I build models that thematically would fly in a position that's high up, they would not provide cover?

If the models are at least partially obscuring the target, or the shot passes between them, the target gets cover. Whether your models are standing on the ground or on 10" poles makes no difference to this principle.

I would assume you could shoot under models just like over. Otherwise fliers would grant cover to units shooting past them.

But if you modeled guys on excessively high bases it would be modeling for advantage since the were not supplied like that. True line of sight is king.

 Steel-W0LF wrote:
I would assume you could shoot under models just like over. Otherwise fliers would grant cover to units shooting past them.

Shooting past a single model is not the same as shooting between two models.


But yes, you can shoot under a model if it is posed up in the air, assuming you have LOS.

 insaniak wrote:

 Steel-W0LF wrote:
I would assume you could shoot under models just like over. Otherwise fliers would grant cover to units shooting past them.

Shooting past a single model is not the same as shooting between two models.


But yes, you can shoot under a model if it is posed up in the air, assuming you have LOS.

That's what I asked, so yes. Between models = cover, under models = no cover.

What about squadrons of skimmers? Does shooting between them give cover?

Theyre a unit...

So hovering flyers give cover if you shoot between two hovering flyers?

 Shadelkan wrote:
So hovering flyers give cover if you shoot between two hovering flyers?

If they are a single squadron, yes. (The fact that they are hovering makes no difference, they could be zooming and still grant the cover save if the shot passes between the gaps in the unit).

 Shadelkan wrote:
So hovering flyers give cover if you shoot between two hovering flyers?

Are they a squadron, and this a single unit? Then yes.

Hovering or zooming this would be true

This is interesting. Between two flyers/skimmers in a unit would grant a save. Shooting through the base of a single unit? No, because the way the rules are written the model would have to be 25% obscured.

But then the question arises, what if the flying stand provies 25% obscurement? Is the base considered part of the model? A flyrant base and pose could easily give that obscurement, and I think you would be hard pressed to argue that the tail and legs of the flyrant aren't part of the model, although we are told to disregard them when checking LOS to such models. In the case of those with normal flying stands? I would say no because the stand isn't part of the model and the shaft is there to provide dynamic effect, so it doesn't count. Which maybe why they made it out of clear plastic instead of black.